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Do Ghosts Exist?

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kingofdisaster_
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I think they do. I feel like if I say they don't, they'll attack me.

Do Ghosts Exist?

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Teh_Skittlez
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"AlphaT" wrote:



"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:








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Ghosts require more explanation than they provide answers

Elaborate? Are you saying that they require more effort than they can give back, or that they hold more mystery than knowledge?



There's some phenomena that goes unexplained. But that's the important part, we don't have an explanation. By using ghosts as a solution, we are making unexplained assumptions, you're just displacing your lack of explanation onto the ghost, rather than the event itself. And that's the other part, I haven't heard any physics based woo-free explanation for a disembodied intelligence that lacks a physical body but manages to interact with the physical world. So, for me it's basic Occam's razor. The more complicated answer could be true, but until we have evidence to support the assumptions made it's best to go with the simpler hypotheses that operate within the framework we already have. 

 







 

First off, I do not believe in ghosts. But, why does this entity have to be intelligent? Why can't be some type of unknown energetic remnant of a past life that's being harbored in a given location? Also, how is nothing simpler than a hypothesis?


Admitting to not having an explanation is not a bad thing, especially when you don't have one. There's nothing wrong with saying you haven't been convinced of any particular hypothesis so far, and therefore it remains unexplained to you. You aren't saying it was nothing, you're saying you don't know what it was. 

How would we measure this remnant energy of a past life? How many joules should we expect to see? The reason we presume cognizance is because people asserting hypotheses about ghosts often assume that these spirits interact with the world and possess some understanding of cause and effect. 




Do Ghosts Exist?

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Teh_Skittlez
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"kingofdisaster_" wrote:

I think they do. I feel like if I say they don't, they'll attack me.


Well. They haven't attacked me yet.

 


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"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:



"AlphaT" wrote:








"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:


















"AlphaT" wrote:






































"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:
















Ghosts require more explanation than they provide answers

Elaborate? Are you saying that they require more effort than they can give back, or that they hold more mystery than knowledge?



There's some phenomena that goes unexplained. But that's the important part, we don't have an explanation. By using ghosts as a solution, we are making unexplained assumptions, you're just displacing your lack of explanation onto the ghost, rather than the event itself. And that's the other part, I haven't heard any physics based woo-free explanation for a disembodied intelligence that lacks a physical body but manages to interact with the physical world. So, for me it's basic Occam's razor. The more complicated answer could be true, but until we have evidence to support the assumptions made it's best to go with the simpler hypotheses that operate within the framework we already have. 

 







 

First off, I do not believe in ghosts. But, why does this entity have to be intelligent? Why can't be some type of unknown energetic remnant of a past life that's being harbored in a given location? Also, how is nothing simpler than a hypothesis?


Admitting to not having an explanation is not a bad thing, especially when you don't have one. There's nothing wrong with saying you haven't been convinced of any particular hypothesis so far, and therefore it remains unexplained to you. You aren't saying it was nothing, you're saying you don't know what it was. 

How would we measure this remnant energy of a past life? How many joules should we expect to see? The reason we presume cognizance is because people asserting hypotheses about ghosts often assume that these spirits interact with the world and possess some understanding of cause and effect. 


(My cousin thinks he had an encounter before lol)
You're saying there's nothing to go on. At least progress can be made on a hypothesis, whether or not it becomes factual or is proven wrong. its still something.

That's the whole point. measuring it is a progression to finding the hypothesis to be wrong or right.




"You must look within yourself to save yourself from your other self. Only then will your true self reveal itself."-Myself


Do Ghosts Exist?

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Teh_Skittlez
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"AlphaT" wrote:



"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:








"AlphaT" wrote:


















"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:






































"AlphaT" wrote:














































































"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:
































Ghosts require more explanation than they provide answers

Elaborate? Are you saying that they require more effort than they can give back, or that they hold more mystery than knowledge?



There's some phenomena that goes unexplained. But that's the important part, we don't have an explanation. By using ghosts as a solution, we are making unexplained assumptions, you're just displacing your lack of explanation onto the ghost, rather than the event itself. And that's the other part, I haven't heard any physics based woo-free explanation for a disembodied intelligence that lacks a physical body but manages to interact with the physical world. So, for me it's basic Occam's razor. The more complicated answer could be true, but until we have evidence to support the assumptions made it's best to go with the simpler hypotheses that operate within the framework we already have. 

 







 

First off, I do not believe in ghosts. But, why does this entity have to be intelligent? Why can't be some type of unknown energetic remnant of a past life that's being harbored in a given location? Also, how is nothing simpler than a hypothesis?


Admitting to not having an explanation is not a bad thing, especially when you don't have one. There's nothing wrong with saying you haven't been convinced of any particular hypothesis so far, and therefore it remains unexplained to you. You aren't saying it was nothing, you're saying you don't know what it was. 

How would we measure this remnant energy of a past life? How many joules should we expect to see? The reason we presume cognizance is because people asserting hypotheses about ghosts often assume that these spirits interact with the world and possess some understanding of cause and effect. 

 
(My cousin thinks he had an encounter before lol)
You're saying there's nothing to go on. At least progress can be made on a hypothesis, whether or not it becomes factual or is proven wrong. its still something.

That's the whole point. measuring it is a progression to finding the hypothesis to be wrong or right.





Not to dismiss your cousin, but there are people alive today who we would consider otherwise reasonable who will tell you about their encounter with Elvis, the grays, reptilians, bigfoot, and UFOs. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and often times so is our intuition about the events we witness. 

I'm not saying we don't make new hypotheses or keep testing, just that we shouldn't accept any of it at face value. The 'hypothesis' of ghosts is hardly even a sound hypothesis, I feel like talking about it as though it were a valid scientific construct is a disservice to actual scientific ideas and hypotheses. 


 


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"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

Not to dismiss your cousin, but there are people alive today who we would consider otherwise reasonable who will tell you about their encounter with Elvis, the grays, reptilians, bigfoot, and UFOs. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and often times so is our intuition about the events we witness.


But Elvis really is still alive! 


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Do Ghosts Exist?

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"-Karpov-" wrote:



"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:


Not to dismiss your cousin, but there are people alive today who we would consider otherwise reasonable who will tell you about their encounter with Elvis, the grays, reptilians, bigfoot, and UFOs. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and often times so is our intuition about the events we witness.


But Elvis really is still alive! 




Of course. He's in South America with Tupac, Andy Kaufman, and Jim Morrison.




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