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Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
No, I simply don't beleive that what your opinion of "god" is is the correct one. I never said I don't believe that he eixists. You can not beleive in magick all you want to but it doesn't mean it isn't there. What if a religion didn't beleive in gravity? Would that mean gravity doesn't exist? I think not. Like I said, if you don't want to call it magick call it energy. Or god's power or divine power or what ever you want to call it. We have proof and facts of magicks/energies effects therefore it exists. Magick isn't a being so there is no opinions of what it is or does or wants. Magick is a force that can be used for whatever purpouse. You however have an opinion of a spirit. You have nothing to tell you that this is the correct opinion of him/her except the bible, and that has nothing to credit it except itself. What I have isn't an opinion of magick, it's the fact of it. You have an opinion of your god and I have one. We have nothing to prove either one on that so we can only guess. And god is a source of energy because you call on him/her to do things for you, well what do you think he/she uses? Magick/energy/divine power whatever you want to call it. In the end it's all the same thing.

God is not magic. Thats a opinion. You dont have proof that he is magic. And what happened to faith?

Jesus didnt put any facts on earth 4 a reason, he wanted us to believe in him by faith. And I have my facts.

oh and im not sure, did u say we came from germ thingies?

Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
Chewb, you only have your opinion that he created us. You have no fact stating that he did. And neither do you have anything that veifies that what the bible says is true. You can believe it's that way all you want but it doesn't make it so. Magick/energy/special macoroni with cheese, what ever you want to call it. It's a tomato toma-to type of thing. You call it one thing I call it another. But the fact still remains that it's there regardless of what you call it. And I call it magick. The only difference really between what christianity uses of it and what I and other witches use of it is that you rely solely on one energy source, god or what ever you want to call it, where as we rely on multiple energy sources. We have different sources for different jobs. They both work, it just all depends on which you want to use.

y do we need human-baced facts?
Don't u believe in faith?
If so, y are u asking 4 facts?

Lazell, you talk as if faith in something makes it real or in some cases unreal. There are people who have "faith" that the Holocaust didn't exist, but does that erase it from history? And there are people who believe that if they ki// themselves during the time a comet is passing over earth that their souls will be taken along with the comet and they will reach paradise and travel the universe. Does their faith make this truth?

These people had and have faith, some even have enough faith to give up their lives, but does that make what they believe in any more right? No. Facts are important, Lazell.

Shadow121595 wrote:

Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
Chewb, you only have your opinion that he created us. You have no fact stating that he did. And neither do you have anything that veifies that what the bible says is true. You can believe it's that way all you want but it doesn't make it so. Magick/energy/special macoroni with cheese, what ever you want to call it. It's a tomato toma-to type of thing. You call it one thing I call it another. But the fact still remains that it's there regardless of what you call it. And I call it magick. The only difference really between what christianity uses of it and what I and other witches use of it is that you rely solely on one energy source, god or what ever you want to call it, where as we rely on multiple energy sources. We have different sources for different jobs. They both work, it just all depends on which you want to use.

y do we need human-baced facts?
Don't u believe in faith?
If so, y are u asking 4 facts?

Lazell, you talk as if faith in something makes it real or in some cases unreal. There are people who have "faith" that the Holocaust didn't exist, but does that erase it from history? And there are people who believe that if they ki// themselves during the time a comet is passing over earth that their souls will be taken along with the comet and they will reach paradise and travel the universe. Does their faith make this truth?

These people had and have faith, some even have enough faith to give up their lives, but does that make what they believe in any more right? No. Facts are important, Lazell.

Well of course not...
But god is real because she has faith.

*rolls eyes* Let's see if we get a response similar to that.

Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
No, I simply don't beleive that what your opinion of "god" is is the correct one. I never said I don't believe that he eixists. You can not beleive in magick all you want to but it doesn't mean it isn't there. What if a religion didn't beleive in gravity? Would that mean gravity doesn't exist? I think not. Like I said, if you don't want to call it magick call it energy. Or god's power or divine power or what ever you want to call it. We have proof and facts of magicks/energies effects therefore it exists. Magick isn't a being so there is no opinions of what it is or does or wants. Magick is a force that can be used for whatever purpouse. You however have an opinion of a spirit. You have nothing to tell you that this is the correct opinion of him/her except the bible, and that has nothing to credit it except itself. What I have isn't an opinion of magick, it's the fact of it. You have an opinion of your god and I have one. We have nothing to prove either one on that so we can only guess. And god is a source of energy because you call on him/her to do things for you, well what do you think he/she uses? Magick/energy/divine power whatever you want to call it. In the end it's all the same thing.

God is not magic. Thats a opinion. You dont have proof that he is magic. And what happened to faith?

Jesus didnt put any facts on earth 4 a reason, he wanted us to believe in him by faith. And I have my facts.

Yes I do, Lazell. By definition he is supernatural and by definition heaven is magical. Heaven is the product of a supernatural being thus it is magical.

The dictionary is different than the Bible.

Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
No, I simply don't beleive that what your opinion of "god" is is the correct one. I never said I don't believe that he eixists. You can not beleive in magick all you want to but it doesn't mean it isn't there. What if a religion didn't beleive in gravity? Would that mean gravity doesn't exist? I think not. Like I said, if you don't want to call it magick call it energy. Or god's power or divine power or what ever you want to call it. We have proof and facts of magicks/energies effects therefore it exists. Magick isn't a being so there is no opinions of what it is or does or wants. Magick is a force that can be used for whatever purpouse. You however have an opinion of a spirit. You have nothing to tell you that this is the correct opinion of him/her except the bible, and that has nothing to credit it except itself. What I have isn't an opinion of magick, it's the fact of it. You have an opinion of your god and I have one. We have nothing to prove either one on that so we can only guess. And god is a source of energy because you call on him/her to do things for you, well what do you think he/she uses? Magick/energy/divine power whatever you want to call it. In the end it's all the same thing.

God is not magic. Thats a opinion. You dont have proof that he is magic. And what happened to faith?

Jesus didnt put any facts on earth 4 a reason, he wanted us to believe in him by faith. And I have my facts.

No, it is not an opinion. It is what catagory he falls under. Example; I study and practice witchcraft. Anyone who studies and practices witchcraft is called a witch. No getting around it, saying your not a witch while still studing and practicing witchcraft is simply denial of what you are and what your doing. God uses a force. It is the same force witches use. I call it magick because thats the term I like to use. Skittlez calls it energy because thats the term he feels comfortable with. I have plenty if proof that god has used and uses the force I call magick. He answers prayers, proof enough. He has to get his power from somewhere. And he gets it from energy which is what magick is, working with energies. Now how can I tell? Because I've felt his energy before. Back when I was actually a christian I remember feeling a force that brought a tingling feeling to my hands when I called on him. This of course I now realize was his energy being projected. Anyways, if I'm posting an opinion I'll tell you if it's my opinion. But this is fact lazell. And I agree with shadow, you seem to think that just because someone has faith in somethign it makes it 100% true. Well the shocking cold truth is it doesn't. Faith is wonderful, and it's god to have it. But having faith in something doesn't make it real. I could have faith that magical leprachuan will come to me at some point in my life and make me the richest person in the world, but in the end I'll most likely be up for a disappointment. Theres the chance it could happen, but the odds are very VERY low. And no, I never said we came from germ thingies.

Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
Chewb, you only have your opinion that he created us. You have no fact stating that he did. And neither do you have anything that veifies that what the bible says is true. You can believe it's that way all you want but it doesn't make it so. Magick/energy/special macoroni with cheese, what ever you want to call it. It's a tomato toma-to type of thing. You call it one thing I call it another. But the fact still remains that it's there regardless of what you call it. And I call it magick. The only difference really between what christianity uses of it and what I and other witches use of it is that you rely solely on one energy source, god or what ever you want to call it, where as we rely on multiple energy sources. We have different sources for different jobs. They both work, it just all depends on which you want to use.

-.- so u csll God a "source of energy", or whatever.
since we Christains don't believe that Magic has nothing to do with God, then why do u keep telling up it does, if we dun believe in it?

Im not saying don't express ur opinion, but its kinda pointless to go back and 4th saying what God is and isn't if you don't even believe in him....

It kinda dosn't make any sinse

Thats just like is telling you God is real, and u wont believe it because you dont believe in him

So I proved that you do the same things that we do, and don't even recodnise u did it.

Edited by: Lazell on October 30 at 12:24 PM

He calls it magick.
It doesn't matter what it's called.
It's another word for that energy.

Whatever you call it, they're all synonyms.

Shadow121595 wrote:

Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
Chewb, you only have your opinion that he created us. You have no fact stating that he did. And neither do you have anything that veifies that what the bible says is true. You can believe it's that way all you want but it doesn't make it so. Magick/energy/special macoroni with cheese, what ever you want to call it. It's a tomato toma-to type of thing. You call it one thing I call it another. But the fact still remains that it's there regardless of what you call it. And I call it magick. The only difference really between what christianity uses of it and what I and other witches use of it is that you rely solely on one energy source, god or what ever you want to call it, where as we rely on multiple energy sources. We have different sources for different jobs. They both work, it just all depends on which you want to use.

y do we need human-baced facts?
Don't u believe in faith?
If so, y are u asking 4 facts?

Lazell, you talk as if faith in something makes it real or in some cases unreal. There are people who have "faith" that the Holocaust didn't exist, but does that erase it from history? And there are people who believe that if they ki// themselves during the time a comet is passing over earth that their souls will be taken along with the comet and they will reach paradise and travel the universe. Does their faith make this truth?

These people had and have faith, some even have enough faith to give up their lives, but does that make what they believe in any more right? No. Facts are important, Lazell.

*Waits for answer*

Lazell wrote:

khjcmg wrote:
No, I simply don't beleive that what your opinion of "god" is is the correct one. I never said I don't believe that he eixists. You can not beleive in magick all you want to but it doesn't mean it isn't there. What if a religion didn't beleive in gravity? Would that mean gravity doesn't exist? I think not. Like I said, if you don't want to call it magick call it energy. Or god's power or divine power or what ever you want to call it. We have proof and facts of magicks/energies effects therefore it exists. Magick isn't a being so there is no opinions of what it is or does or wants. Magick is a force that can be used for whatever purpouse. You however have an opinion of a spirit. You have nothing to tell you that this is the correct opinion of him/her except the bible, and that has nothing to credit it except itself. What I have isn't an opinion of magick, it's the fact of it. You have an opinion of your god and I have one. We have nothing to prove either one on that so we can only guess. And god is a source of energy because you call on him/her to do things for you, well what do you think he/she uses? Magick/energy/divine power whatever you want to call it. In the end it's all the same thing.

God is not magic. Thats a opinion. You dont have proof that he is magic. And what happened to faith?

Jesus didnt put any facts on earth 4 a reason, he wanted us to believe in him by faith. And I have my facts.

If Jesus didn't have any facts you just said you have facts which just proves your last statement wrong. Who's side are you on?

Tick, tock...
Tickity tock.

I really don't think she can come up with an answer to the faith thing.