"-Zachary-" wrote:

Well duh, miracles arent spost to be tested..hece the meaning of miracle.

In other words, not provable, meaning not fact.

Mostly anything of ths magitude is not fact, gotta think God is advanced way beyond what we can imagine Zack.

Ever heard of Genetic Adam and Genetic Eve?

Yes, and it has almost absolutely nothing to do with the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. 

Yeah well it does, please refer to your research.

Yep there was indeedly a garden...just it was closed, geographists *or however you spell it* indicate that it resided in Africa before continent spilling.

No, really, there wasn't. I'd love for you to post something I can look up that isn't from a blatantly Christian fundamentalist site. 

Oh sorry about the mix up, its auctauly found to be in Iraq..you can go anywhere for that answer. Its pretty much widely known.

No evidence for a flood? Your kidding?

No, not kidding. There's no geological evidence to support the Flood that's described in the Bible. Erosion is an extremely slow process, and the Earth could not have been shaped in the way it is in such a small amount of time (thousands of years). Furthermore, if there had been a Flood, it would have been uniform around the Earth, meaning that its effects would be even and there wouldn't be such a large difference between, for example, the sizes of mountains.


What so your saying an omnipotent God could not have done this?  I mean for any wide scale flood to happen its gotta be a perfect storm. Thing is however...we aint seen nothin like it since because God promised to never send another worldwide flood. 

I'd say all we need is a batch of hydrolic theory

You've mentioned this before, and I looked it up, and found nothing. 

What hydrolic theory?  Simple really. Water comes up from the ground from the oceans..kind of like massive continential geysers...back in that day there was a cettain mist for the atmosphere to help the suns rays from effecting peopls skin too much, which helped to let people live longer, as they did in Noah's time. So the mist and Hydrolic Effects togather made almost the perfect storm for it to rain for 40 days and not to recede for a year.

B. Check Genesis..the dimensions are accurate to hold two baby animals form every species for that period of time.

The dimensions would have to be incredibly, INCREDIBLY unrealistic to be able to hold two baby animals from every species from whenever silly point it occurred at. We also haven't found the Ark. If you're referring to the thing in Turkey, it's an old boat. 

What do you mean? Given the time he had..it took 120 years to build that thing...and remember this as back when people had better living conditions, not really much diesese, no pollution, which made long life a possibility.

Guys this is jsut something me and my friend Zack had going on in another fourm...feel free to post your opinions on what you think about the Bible, if its correct about stuff or not...

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Mostly anything of ths magitude is not fact, gotta think God is advanced way beyond what we can imagine Zack.

 

Then it's wrong until we know that it's right.

Yeah well it does, please refer to your research.

The research being that the genetic A&E doesn't actually trace back to A&E themselves, nor did they necessarily have to live together in a Garden or anything like that. All genetic Adam and Eve is is looking back through family genetics to see when the first people were around. It didn't start with just one human and then branching off there, because the genetic Adam would have co-existed with other men, same with Eve.

Oh sorry about the mix up, its auctauly found to be in Iraq..you can go anywhere for that answer. Its pretty much widely known.

It's really not pretty much widely known. There are multiple places where people say the Garden is, it's not an actual fact. 

What so your saying an omnipotent God could not have done this?  I mean for any wide scale flood to happen its gotta be a perfect storm. Thing is however...we aint seen nothin like it since because God promised to never send another worldwide flood. 

 

An omnipotent God could have, if he did something supernatural other than just acting through the forces of erosion that would come of a flood. It would be unnecessarily complicated, with no supporting evidence, to say God flooded the world and then shaped it in a way that wouldn't have happened through the flood. 

What hydrolic theory?  Simple really. Water comes up from the ground from the oceans..kind of like massive continential geysers...back in that day there was a cettain mist for the atmosphere to help the suns rays from effecting peopls skin too much, which helped to let people live longer, as they did in Noah's time. So the mist and Hydrolic Effects togather made almost the perfect storm for it to rain for 40 days and not to recede for a year.

Oh, the non-scientific biblical "God did it" sort of thing. Gotcha.

There's no evidence to support the claim that man lived hundreds of years, nor would having less radiation from the sun increase human lifespan exponentially. There was no grand event that suddenly shifted the Earth's climate from being suitable for man to live 900+ years, to suddenly dying around age 40 and then increasing to about 80 in modern times. 

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What do you mean? Given the time he had..it took 120 years to build that thing...and remember this as back when people had better living conditions, not really much diesese, no pollution, which made long life a possibility.

No, really, it would have to be half the size of the Earth to support so much life on it. Pollution doesn't cut life very much in modern times in civilized countries. Living conditions today are better than roaming around in a jungle or desert, and antibiotics do extremely well at preventing people from dying to disease. The incredible lifespans of people depicted in the bible is simply not credible. 

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The bible is so true!!!

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Uhhhh yea that's bit a hard question

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Also, it's necessary to point out that even if all of these events had occurred, it still does not mean that a God was the driving force behind them. Unexplainable =/= supernatural. It would simply be things that we have yet to discover. People like to use the argument of how complex eyes (or whichever other part they're using nowadays) are too complex to have evolved on their own, but that's really not the case. Not even going to bother arguing evolution in this post, but I just want to make it clear that complexity does not make a creator necessary, much less one described so well as in the bible. 

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faith is really hard to keep but think of the beautiful place he promised us, heaven, and its' thanks to the bible we know that

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"-Zachary-" wrote:

Mostly anything of ths magitude is not fact, gotta think God is advanced way beyond what we can imagine Zack.

 

Then it's wrong until we know that it's right.

C'mon now...absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, you should know that.

Yeah well it does, please refer to your research.

The research being that the genetic A&E doesn't actually trace back to A&E themselves, nor did they necessarily have to live together in a Garden or anything like that. All genetic Adam and Eve is is looking back through family genetics to see when the first people were around. It didn't start with just one human and then branching off there, because the genetic Adam would have co-existed with other men, same with Eve.

Erm, no. As I said, do your research kiddo. What do we use to trace males back? Get it now?

Oh sorry about the mix up, its auctauly found to be in Iraq..you can go anywhere for that answer. Its pretty much widely known.

It's really not pretty much widely known. There are multiple places where people say the Garden is, it's not an actual fact. 

Something ive learned, not much is a fact when it comes to Geography or all Sciences, Evolution included I mean its like your saying if it aint proven it aint true.

What so your saying an omnipotent God could not have done this?  I mean for any wide scale flood to happen its gotta be a perfect storm. Thing is however...we aint seen nothin like it since because God promised to never send another worldwide flood. 


 

An omnipotent God could have, if he did something supernatural other than just acting through the forces of erosion that would come of a flood. It would be unnecessarily complicated, with no supporting evidence, to say God flooded the world and then shaped it in a way that wouldn't have happened through the flood. 

I told you hydrolic theory didnt I? read the below statement.

What hydrolic theory?  Simple really. Water comes up from the ground from the oceans..kind of like massive continential geysers...back in that day there was a cettain mist for the atmosphere to help the suns rays from effecting peopls skin too much, which helped to let people live longer, as they did in Noah's time. So the mist and Hydrolic Effects togather made almost the perfect storm for it to rain for 40 days and not to recede for a year.

Oh, the non-scientific biblical "God did it" sort of thing. Gotcha.

There's no evidence to support the claim that man lived hundreds of years, nor would having less radiation from the sun increase human lifespan exponentially. There was no grand event that suddenly shifted the Earth's climate from being suitable for man to live 900+ years, to suddenly dying around age 40 and then increasing to about 80 in modern times. 

No, its the scientific Bibical God did it sort of thing.

I said help, not do the job completely. Diesese and pollution played a big role, as well as oxygen back then. And your right, completely. It drew back with time, Seriously read the Bible, it tells you the ages. 

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YOU'RE telling others to fix their formatting? You've already confessed to not knowing how. Get over it as Huge told Zachary.

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"-Zachary-" wrote:

What do you mean? Given the time he had..it took 120 years to build that thing...and remember this as back when people had better living conditions, not really much diesese, no pollution, which made long life a possibility.

No, really, it would have to be half the size of the Earth to support so much life on it. Pollution doesn't cut life very much in modern times in civilized countries. Living conditions today are better than roaming around in a jungle or desert, and antibiotics do extremely well at preventing people from dying to disease. The incredible lifespans of people depicted in the bible is simply not credible. 

What did I just say? There was no diesese, there was no pollution, and btw there wernt bad eating habits..list goes on it just doesent limit to one thing. 

And your seriously fallible in what you think was on the boat...its not like we took the bear, black bear, grizzly bear, and everything in betwween..two babies  of each species of animal, not two adults of each type of animal.  Kind of like taking two humans instead of two humans from each city (U.S. Standards)

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