I would like to seee some real time proof.

Like, evidence that we know of, or evidence that has been discovered form years ago.


Not ways that we can find it. Not people who have found it. Real time evidence that it happened/happens.

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Peppered moths

Transitional fossils

Darwin's Finches

etc

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Flu shots. 

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You see, this is where some people get confused. Darwin's theory is not JUST evolution. He just said that we evolved from apes. So when people hear evolution, they think of Darwin. Well, that's not all what evolution is. Everything evolves.

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"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

Flu shots. 

Ah..i love that one

The bodys ability to learn how to fight an illness is not evolution. Its adapting to its bio-surroundings. Try again.



Its kind of like when a bug grows resistence to a certain pesticide. Its adapting to survive. Not evolving over time into more complex beings. And also, alot of your bugs dont pass down pesticide resistance in a benefitiary amount. Usualy less is carried down. If the oppisite were true, Id say wed be praticly waging war with super-bugs. 

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";JiKailah♥" wrote:

You see, this is where some people get confused. Darwin's theory is not JUST evolution. He just said that we evolved from apes. So when people hear evolution, they think of Darwin. Well, that's not all what evolution is. Everything evolves.

Ikr? Theres variatons of evolution. Just most use Classic Darwin Evolution to explain everything, well that doesent work you see.  

 

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Peppered Moths shows nothing to evolution. Black Moths and White Moths were both existing at the time of the Indrustial Age. All it shows is Survival of The Fittest, Not Arrival Of the Fittest.

What? Both of them existing at the same time doesn't mean anything. Changes in their environment lead one of them to almost completely dying out, showing how natural selection works, which is the basis for evolution. Things adapt (evolve) to their surroundings in order to survive, and the ones that can't adapt, die out. This isn't even up for debate. It's very deeply studied and exactly what you're asking for, with 'real-time evolution'.

By Transitional Fossil you mean The Fossils we find in the dirt that we can use to compare diversity in the differt layers of the earth right?

Basically.

 So...Charlie Darwin goes on a ship, finds some finches, compares their differences and says they had a common ancestor. Well your absolutely right. But that common ancestor is...a finch. Common Ancestor is irrefutable, but its non applicable to evolution.

Ok? If everything had a single common ancestor, and now there are different species that come from that common ancestor, they evolved to get to that point. Really? 

The bodys ability to learn how to fight an illness is not evolution. Its adapting to its bio-surroundings. Try again.

That's actually not what people mean when they point out the need for continual flu shots through your life. The virus evolves and becomes immune to antibiotics that worked in the past, which is why new ones have to be made every year, differently, so they work. And the next year, influenza has adapted to not being affected by the antibiotics, so they continue living. 

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Another big piece of evidence that continues to prove evolution's truth is the vast number of dog species we have nowadays, which have evolved out of artificial selection. We choose the traits we like from two dogs. Breed them. Get a dog with traits that are favorable.

Works the exact same way in nature, without human help. 

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"-Zachary-" wrote:

What? Both of them existing at the same time doesn't mean anything. Changes in their environment lead one of them to almost completely dying out, showing how natural selection works, which is the basis for evolution. Things adapt (evolve) to their surroundings in order to survive, and the ones that can't adapt, die out. This isn't even up for debate. It's very deeply studied and exactly what you're asking for, with 'real-time evolution'.

Natural Selection doesent go with evolution. Because your saying evolution is adaptation, which is wrong. God made us so that we could adapt to things that happen in the enviroment, or things that we cause in the enviorment.ow before you say "Thats what evolution says", think about it. Evolution states that we all came from one lifeform. Broaden your horizions.



Basically.

Good. And your also computing that we've found ancestors of evolving species, or that the layers show a perfect map from one species, to two, to all the species that we see today correct? And by what means would you be using to indicate these? Carbon 14? Uranium 238? Uranium 233? Fossil Index?


 

Ok? If everything had a single common ancestor, and now there are different species that come from that common ancestor, they evolved to get to that point. Really? 

Id say thats where you jump from science to assumption brother. Id say, that The Flood had something to do with all of this.


 

That's actually not what people mean when they point out the need for continual flu shots through your life. The virus evolves and becomes immune to antibiotics that worked in the past, which is why new ones have to be made every year, differently, so they work. And the next year, influenza has adapted to not being affected by the antibiotics, so they continue living. 


Okay so, that was skits btw, but i must have misunderstood that he meant the virus and not the vaccine to the body. In that case then the virus is adapting to its bio sourroudings. Does it ever turn into a finch to protect itself against the bodys imune system? (dont take that literially, please)

And i wanted that meme to stick... aw man. Guess ill have to wait till later. 

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"AlphaT" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

Flu shots. 

Ah..i love that one

The bodys ability to learn how to fight an illness is not evolution. Its adapting to its bio-surroundings. Try again.



Its kind of like when a bug grows resistence to a certain pesticide. Its adapting to survive. Not evolving over time into more complex beings. And also, alot of your bugs dont pass down pesticide resistance in a benefitiary amount. Usualy less is carried down. If the oppisite were true, Id say wed be praticly waging war with super-bugs. 

That's not even what I meant. But, it actually is an example of evolution. Evolution and adaptation are practically synonymous in Biology. When  a species adapts to survive against something it has become a more complex organism. 

I meant the fact that you need a new flu shot every year is a good example of evolution, because the flu virus (and viruses in general) mutate constantly. 

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