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So, before I attempt to help. You ARE asking why Atheists quote people, but in a way which the quotes were not meant to be taken, right?


Yes, specifically Atheists.  
It stacks up their arguement. Problem solved.


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"AlphaT" wrote:




So, before I attempt to help. You ARE asking why Atheists quote people, but in a way which the quotes were not meant to be taken, right?


Yes, specifically Atheists.  
It stacks up their arguement. Problem solved.


no stack. How is it a problem? No problem was solved.
Yes stack. And it was a figure of speech.


What

If I got a dollar for every time someone told me God came on this earth to make people "Happy"...


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Didn't I already reply to this once?

Atheists who use Richard Dawkins quotes are the equivalent of Christians who quote "God is real because look at how this banana fits in our hand" from Ray Comfort.

Carl Sagan would be an atheist by most people's standards of atheist, he had a different (and arguably wrong) idea of what it meant. 

Albert Einstein promoted agnosticism, hence his quote. One extremely common misconception about atheism is that it claims to know for certain that there is no god, but that's not the case. An atheist is any person who does not recognize the existence of a god. 

As for evolution, the only people that don't accept evolution are the ones who don't understand it. If you think you understand evolution and don't think it's true, you probably don't actually understand evolution. 


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and the evolution thing. god it's not even funny, the amount of flaws that whole theory has. sooo many more reasons to be skeptical. not even going to start on that. 


 


The absence of evidence does not mean something is not true. Why must everything need a scientific reason? That is what I do not understand. If science actually held the truth we should have the answer to all our questions by now. But we don't. It's so ironic, how much faith they put into science.
 

Elaborate on a flaw of evolution. Evolution is a scientific fact, it is essential to understanding biology. The entire study of biology just kind of falls apart without it. 

How do you figure that we should 'have all the answers to all our questions by now'? It's only 2013. Humanity is still in its scientific infancy.  We don't know anything yet. But we also know so much it's ridiculous. Science is still getting better all the time. If 'God' is just the things that science cannot explain yet, then God is an ever receding pool of ignorance that will one day have no place left to be. 


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I dont know why they don't believe in GOD


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"Danielneedsyou" wrote:

I dont know why they don't believe in GOD


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Ever thought about maybe asking one of them? 


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Didn't I already reply to this once?


Atheists who use Richard Dawkins quotes are the equivalent of Christians who quote "God is real because look at how this banana fits in our hand" from Ray Comfort.


Carl Sagan would be an atheist by most people's standards of atheist, he had a different (and arguably wrong) idea of what it meant. 


Albert Einstein promoted agnosticism, hence his quote. One extremely common misconception about atheism is that it claims to know for certain that there is no god, but that's not the case. An atheist is any person who does not recognize the existence of a god. 


As for evolution, the only people that don't accept evolution are the ones who don't understand it. If you think you understand evolution and don't think it's true, you probably don't actually understand evolution. 


"God is real because look at how this banana fits in our hand" from Ray Comfort.

Ray Comfort, never said this. Nice rumor.

"Albert Einstein promoted agnosticism, hence his quote."

What? This was already clarified that he rejected the bible, why are you trying to re-justify something that was already said?

"about atheism is that it claims to know for certain that there is no god, but that's not the case. An atheist is any person who does not recognize the existence of a god. "

This is not the agenda for what most Atheists believe today. Sorry, you're agnostic. 

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As for evolution, the only people that don't accept evolution are the ones who don't understand it. If you think you understand evolution and don't think it's true, you probably don't actually understand evolution. "

What

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Carl Sagan would be an atheist by most people's standards of atheist, he had a different (and arguably wrong) idea of what it meant. "

Oops. Guess you're still Agnostic, right?



If I got a dollar for every time someone told me God came on this earth to make people "Happy"...


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"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:




Didn't I already reply to this once?




Atheists who use Richard Dawkins quotes are the equivalent of Christians who quote "God is real because look at how this banana fits in our hand" from Ray Comfort.




Carl Sagan would be an atheist by most people's standards of atheist, he had a different (and arguably wrong) idea of what it meant. 




Albert Einstein promoted agnosticism, hence his quote. One extremely common misconception about atheism is that it claims to know for certain that there is no god, but that's not the case. An atheist is any person who does not recognize the existence of a god. 




As for evolution, the only people that don't accept evolution are the ones who don't understand it. If you think you understand evolution and don't think it's true, you probably don't actually understand evolution. 


"God is real because look at how this banana fits in our hand" from Ray Comfort.

Ray Comfort, never said this. Nice rumor.

"Albert Einstein promoted agnosticism, hence his quote."

What? This was already clarified that he rejected the bible, why are you trying to re-justify something that was already said?

"about atheism is that it claims to know for certain that there is no god, but that's not the case. An atheist is any person who does not recognize the existence of a god. "

This is not the agenda for what most Atheists believe today. Sorry, you're agnostic. 

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As for evolution, the only people that don't accept evolution are the ones who don't understand it. If you think you understand evolution and don't think it's true, you probably don't actually understand evolution. "

What

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Carl Sagan would be an atheist by most people's standards of atheist, he had a different (and arguably wrong) idea of what it meant. "

Oops. Guess you're still Agnostic, right?


 


He calls the banana the 'atheists nightmare'.  He says 'The banana and hand are perfectly made for one for the other'. It is abundantly clear he is using the banana as 'proof' of God. 

Agnostic and atheist are two different answers to two different questions. Atheism is an answer to the question 'Do you believe in God?', while agnosticism is an answer to the question 'Do you claim to know whether or not there is a God'? 

Who are you to tell me what I am or am not? There is no 'atheist agenda' because atheism is not a focused thing. Atheism is broad, and encompasses people of all kinds of backgrounds and beliefs. Atheists can be taoists, non-religious, pagan, buddhists, satanist, or plenty of other things. 

I was pretty clear about the evolution thing. Biology doesn't make sense without evolution. 




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"Jesse" wrote:


 "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence". -- Richard Dawkins



Many Atheists, in their arguments, I have seen on this website resort to quoting and using Big-name authors, noblemen & scientists to disprove the existence of God. 



"I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side" - Abraham Lincoln



"I am an agnostic" - Carl Sagan



"None of us can be as Great as God, but any of us can be just as Good"- Mark Twain certainly hated religion, but he certainly wasn't an atheist. 



"God governs in the affairs of men." - Benjamin Franklin



"There is a great directing head of people and things -- a Supreme Being who looks after the destinies of the world" - Thomas Edison, is not an Atheist. 



'Say nothing of my religion. It is known to myself and my God alone." - Thomas Jefferson

Albert Einstein rejected the Bible as the word of God, and said that the creator was unknowable, and that God being personal was child-like.



He also lamented -- "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God."



then he added

"But what really makes me angry, is that they quote me for the support of such views."



oops.



He used the term "fanatical atheists" of people who denied the existence of the creator. 



Charles Darwin said, "I have never been an Atheist." (The life and Letters of Charles Darwin)



credz to "God Vs. Evolution" project.



If you believe in a moral or religious ideal, It is not hard to take a decision. Because, Many have uttered their opinion on the subject and determined right-wrong. You can easily follow them. 

Now, from your post, You are implying that You shouldn't take a decision according to an ideal - your decision must be unique ( you are writing this about atheists who follows an ideal. )

But there is no difference between atheists who quotes famous people and Christians who quotes Bible's verse-  Both follows an ideal- opinions of some one else. But it is serious with Christians- as they are being controlled by Bible.



Why is one group "serious" for following a text that you don't believe in? All religious (and non-religious) groups do exactly the same thing with the text they read. Atheists use the facts provided to them in order to find their truth, only focusing on the numbers. Christians, use text to guide them. (Personally, I use text and facts. This keeps truth lined up with my morals.) 

In my opinion, both groups are just as serious. 

I'm not crazy, I'm just a little unwell.


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and the evolution thing. god it's not even funny, the amount of flaws that whole theory has. sooo many more reasons to be skeptical. not even going to start on that. 





 





The absence of evidence does not mean something is not true. Why must everything need a scientific reason? That is what I do not understand. If science actually held the truth we should have the answer to all our questions by now. But we don't. It's so ironic, how much faith they put into science.

 

Elaborate on a flaw of evolution. Evolution is a scientific fact, it is essential to understanding biology. The entire study of biology just kind of falls apart without it. 

How do you figure that we should 'have all the answers to all our questions by now'? It's only 2013. Humanity is still in its scientific infancy.  We don't know anything yet. But we also know so much it's ridiculous. Science is still getting better all the time. If 'God' is just the things that science cannot explain yet, then God is an ever receding pool of ignorance that will one day have no place left to be. 






God will have no place to be?

There are certain things such as "M Theory," a study on the different dimensions and gravity, which does lead to the hypothesis that a higher being of power, or a creator, does exist. Maybe it's not what most religious organizations and groups describe, maybe it's multiple, but there is something out there. 

I'm not crazy, I'm just a little unwell.


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"foreveranerd" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:



"Evea" wrote:





and the evolution thing. god it's not even funny, the amount of flaws that whole theory has. sooo many more reasons to be skeptical. not even going to start on that. 





 





The absence of evidence does not mean something is not true. Why must everything need a scientific reason? That is what I do not understand. If science actually held the truth we should have the answer to all our questions by now. But we don't. It's so ironic, how much faith they put into science.

 

Elaborate on a flaw of evolution. Evolution is a scientific fact, it is essential to understanding biology. The entire study of biology just kind of falls apart without it. 

How do you figure that we should 'have all the answers to all our questions by now'? It's only 2013. Humanity is still in its scientific infancy.  We don't know anything yet. But we also know so much it's ridiculous. Science is still getting better all the time. If 'God' is just the things that science cannot explain yet, then God is an ever receding pool of ignorance that will one day have no place left to be. 






God will have no place to be?

There are certain things such as "M Theory," a study on the different dimensions and gravity, which does lead to the hypothesis that a higher being of power, or a creator, does exist. Maybe it's not what most religious organizations and groups describe, maybe it's multiple, but there is something out there. 
String Theory, nice. While it does rise the notion that "God" could exist in a higher dimension, this limits "God" to boundaries. Thus, it would simply be a natural power, bound by physics.


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