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"DiamBars" wrote:


it dont  refer just to history, its talking about us too! also ill keep you in my prayers. i suggest you go to a Evangelical church and go to a youth group. i suggest you read the bible and consider this all over, pray as well. remember your having a argument with a 12yr old and i seem to  be winning.


God has even decreed this conversation so  i hope some sense has come into you. God Bless you x


...I have gone to church. I have read the bible. I have had much more challenging debates than this one. I use debates like these to prepare for my real debates.

Next time you enter a battle of wits, make sure you're armed.


hmmmm  have you really opened your ears and heard, if you did, you would still be going and we wouldnt be having this argument. although you know i speak truth, you choose not to listen, i cant say anymore if you refuse what i say.

Don't mess with the Best cause' the best don't mess.

God = real = hero
Mine and God's relationship: God my father and bestest friend.

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"DiamBars" wrote:


also what i have spoke is truth, Vertigo you are unsure of the truth so hear my word and take account of these things i have told you, if you want real truth.


The things you have insinuated are the truth.. to you.
I am quite sure of the truth, it's just not your truth.

As you ask me to take account of your words, I hope you would do the same for me.


there is only one real truth and it is that i have told you: God IS Real! 
im heartbroken you cant accept the real truth. you are in my prayers. God bless x

Don't mess with the Best cause' the best don't mess.

God = real = hero
Mine and God's relationship: God my father and bestest friend.

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"DiamBars" wrote:

hmmmm  have you really opened your ears and heard, if you did, you would still be going and we wouldnt be having this argument. although you know i speak truth, you choose not to listen, i cant say anymore if you refuse what i say.


You accuse me of selective hearing, of blocking the truth.
You speak the truth as much as any Muslim, as any Rastafarian, as any Hindu, as any other religious person does.

I'm trying to tell you that you have your truth, I have mine.

You're just as right as I am. Know why? It's impossible to prove God is real or fake. You know this as well as I do. The only problem is, if I'm right, we'll never know.


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"DiamBars" wrote:

there is only one real truth and it is that i have told you: God IS Real! 

im heartbroken you cant accept the real truth. you are in my prayers. God bless x


Please don't pray for me.
In any other situation I'd take it as a complement.
But this is a pity pray.
Don't pity me.


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"DiamBars" wrote:


hmmmm  have you really opened your ears and heard, if you did, you would still be going and we wouldnt be having this argument. although you know i speak truth, you choose not to listen, i cant say anymore if you refuse what i say.


You accuse me of selective hearing, of blocking the truth.
You speak the truth as much as any Muslim, as any Rastafarian, as any Hindu, as any other religious person does.

I'm trying to tell you that you have your truth, I have mine.

You're just as right as I am. Know why? It's impossible to prove God is real or fake. You know this as well as I do. The only problem is, if I'm right, we'll never know.


Ok i cant change your mind.
and no i didnt mean  in that way, i mean you get the story, just not the meaning.
and you seem to lost, i will try and pray  for you, not that i pity you, but God thst his perfect creation is . ruined with sin.

Don't mess with the Best cause' the best don't mess.

God = real = hero
Mine and God's relationship: God my father and bestest friend.

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"DiamBars" wrote:


Ok i cant change your mind.


and no i didnt mean  in that way, i mean you get the story, just not the meaning.


and you seem to lost, i will try and pray  for you, not that i pity you, but God thst his perfect creation is . ruined with sin.


I understand the meaning fine, it just doesn't touch me as it would you.
Lost? The lost have no way, they have no purpose. I am not lost, only peripatetic.

I'm done.


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"Vertigo" wrote:



"DiamBars" wrote:


hmmmm  have you really opened your ears and heard, if you did, you would still be going and we wouldnt be having this argument. although you know i speak truth, you choose not to listen, i cant say anymore if you refuse what i say.


You accuse me of selective hearing, of blocking the truth.
You speak the truth as much as any Muslim, as any Rastafarian, as any Hindu, as any other religious person does.

I'm trying to tell you that you have your truth, I have mine.

You're just as right as I am. Know why? It's impossible to prove God is real or fake. You know this as well as I do. The only problem is, if I'm right, we'll never know.
And if we're right....


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We can prove God exists by looking at some of St. Thomas Aquinas' works. Like the Summa Theologica. Then we have the "Quinque viæ"(or "the five ways"). These five ways are arguments like "the Unmoved Mover" what this argument says is that there must be a start to everything. This Unmoved Mover is God. Then we have the Argument from Efficient Causes which states that:

We perceive a series of efficient causes of things in the world.
 
Nothing exists prior to itself.
 
Therefore nothing is the efficient cause of itself.
 
If a previous efficient cause does not exist, neither does the thing that results.
 
Therefore if the first thing in a series does not exist, nothing in the series exists.
 
The series of efficient causes cannot extend ad infinitum into the past, for then there would be no things existing now.
 
Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.

Next we have  the Argument from Possibility and Necessity. 

We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, that come into being and go out of being i.e., contingent beings.
 
Assume that every being is a contingent being.
 
For each contingent being, there is a time it does not exist.
 
Therefore it is impossible for these always to exist.
 
Therefore there could have been a time when no things existed.
 
Therefore at that time there would have been nothing to bring the currently existing contingent beings into existence.
 
Therefore, nothing would be in existence now.
 
We have reached an absurd result from assuming that every being is a contingent being.
 
Therefore not every being is a contingent being.
 
Therefore some being exists of its own necessity, and does not receive its existence from another being, but rather causes them. This all men speak of as God.



Gloria in excelsis Deo, et in terra pax hominibus bonæ voluntatis! Laudamus te, benedicimus te, adoramus te, glorificamus te. Gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam!

Propituis esto, parce nobis Dominē!
O Sanctissima! O Pissisima! Dulce Virgo Maria!


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We can prove God exists by looking at some of St. Thomas Aquinas' works. Like the Summa Theologica. Then we have the "Quinque viæ"(or "the five ways"). These five ways are arguments like "the Unmoved Mover" what this argument says is that there must be a start to everything. This Unmoved Mover is God. Then we have the Argument from Efficient Causes which states that:



We perceive a series of efficient causes of things in the world.


 


Nothing exists prior to itself.


 


Therefore nothing is the efficient cause of itself.


 


If a previous efficient cause does not exist, neither does the thing that results.


 


Therefore if the first thing in a series does not exist, nothing in the series exists.


 


The series of efficient causes cannot extend ad infinitum into the past, for then there would be no things existing now.


 


Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.




Next we have  the Argument from Possibility and Necessity. 


We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, that come into being and go out of being i.e., contingent beings.


 


Assume that every being is a contingent being.


 


For each contingent being, there is a time it does not exist.


 


Therefore it is impossible for these always to exist.


 


Therefore there could have been a time when no things existed.


 


Therefore at that time there would have been nothing to bring the currently existing contingent beings into existence.


 


Therefore, nothing would be in existence now.


 


We have reached an absurd result from assuming that every being is a contingent being.


 


Therefore not every being is a contingent being.


 


Therefore some being exists of its own necessity, and does not receive its existence from another being, but rather causes them. This all men speak of as God.





It is raining hard here and I am board, so this gives me something to do. 





but anybody from the past could have wrote something and we can call it true
but there is no photographic proof just books 


Posted about 5 years ago

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"TIBERIVSVEXILLARIVS" wrote:

We can prove God exists by looking at some of St. Thomas Aquinas' works. Like the Summa Theologica. Then we have the "Quinque viæ"(or "the five ways"). These five ways are arguments like "the Unmoved Mover" what this argument says is that there must be a start to everything. This Unmoved Mover is God. Then we have the Argument from Efficient Causes which states that:



We perceive a series of efficient causes of things in the world.


 


Nothing exists prior to itself.


 


Therefore nothing is the efficient cause of itself.


 


If a previous efficient cause does not exist, neither does the thing that results.


 


Therefore if the first thing in a series does not exist, nothing in the series exists.


 


The series of efficient causes cannot extend ad infinitum into the past, for then there would be no things existing now.


 


Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.




Next we have  the Argument from Possibility and Necessity. 


We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, that come into being and go out of being i.e., contingent beings.


 


Assume that every being is a contingent being.


 


For each contingent being, there is a time it does not exist.


 


Therefore it is impossible for these always to exist.


 


Therefore there could have been a time when no things existed.


 


Therefore at that time there would have been nothing to bring the currently existing contingent beings into existence.


 


Therefore, nothing would be in existence now.


 


We have reached an absurd result from assuming that every being is a contingent being.


 


Therefore not every being is a contingent being.


 


Therefore some being exists of its own necessity, and does not receive its existence from another being, but rather causes them. This all men speak of as God.





It is raining hard here and I am board, so this gives me something to do. 


the patriarch condemns ur words catholic :^)

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