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How do we know God was not created?

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Well.....its all in the root definition of God. God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless, as a binding of God would indicate something on the 'other side' of the boundary had to be threr before him and more powerful than him to limit him. Since, and hence the definition of God,  he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.


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"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God,  he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.


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"Vertigo" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God, he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.
1. God is omnipotent.....he can't create an immovable object....how does that even help your case by saying he cant create an imovable object? 2. Thats with the belief that the universe started by itself...its like trying to prove that your right about your belief by using theories from your belief...when truly you cant do this since its rooted in a bad belief.


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"Vertigo" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God,  he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.
A supernatural omnipotent deity is not restricted by universal laws, including the paradox. Such a being would be able to create an object that he can and can't move, giving it those two properties simultaneously. The same applies to your other sentence.


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"MikhailTal" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God, he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.
A supernatural omnipotent deity is not restricted by universal laws, including the paradox. Such a being would be able to create an object that he can and can't move, giving it those two properties simultaneously. The same applies to your other sentence.
Well thats redefining omnipotence.


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"AlphaT" wrote:

"MikhailTal" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God, he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.
A supernatural omnipotent deity is not restricted by universal laws, including the paradox. Such a being would be able to create an object that he can and can't move, giving it those two properties simultaneously. The same applies to your other sentence.
Well thats redefining omnipotence.
lol.


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"MikhailTal" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"MikhailTal" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God, he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.
A supernatural omnipotent deity is not restricted by universal laws, including the paradox. Such a being would be able to create an object that he can and can't move, giving it those two properties simultaneously. The same applies to your other sentence.
Well thats redefining omnipotence.
lol.
I mean it is....God is onmipotent, but not limitless.


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"AlphaT" wrote:

"MikhailTal" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"MikhailTal" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God, he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.
A supernatural omnipotent deity is not restricted by universal laws, including the paradox. Such a being would be able to create an object that he can and can't move, giving it those two properties simultaneously. The same applies to your other sentence.
Well thats redefining omnipotence.
lol.
I mean it is....God is onmipotent, but not limitless.
This is some bad baiting, get new material.


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"MikhailTal" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"MikhailTal" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"MikhailTal" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

God, meaning boundless to any law of matter, is boundless
I hate to use a paradox to contradict your god.. but I will. What if God made an immovable object? He couldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be able to move it. But if he could move it, then it was never truly immovable.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Since, and hence the definition of God, he is boundless, nothing is above him, so therefore, you can make a logical assumption he is the Alpha and Omega.
Steven Hawking said something along the lines of, "Since time was created at the same instant the universe was, nothing could have been before it." Everything needs time to exist, even your god. Now, if God did come into existence at that instant, he would be an unnecessary being, since the universe was able to come into existence without him.
A supernatural omnipotent deity is not restricted by universal laws, including the paradox. Such a being would be able to create an object that he can and can't move, giving it those two properties simultaneously. The same applies to your other sentence.
Well thats redefining omnipotence.
lol.
I mean it is....God is onmipotent, but not limitless.
This is some bad baiting, get new material.
Theres no baiting. I simpiky am saying God is omnipotent, but not limitless.


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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? "Epicurus"


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