"Jesse" wrote:

"Alekhine" wrote:

Most "Christians" interpret it as being a slave to reach those attributes.

lol

I interpret as I being a son, and following discernment through him, through the bible. 

Those attributes can be truly fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

This is how most christians interpret it. 
 

What?

What? 

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"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

You are implying that God does not institute those attributes into you when you accept Him into your heart. God establishes things like compassion philantrophy and kindness into you when you put him at the top of your life.

I do not see how that is better. It is the implication that these attributes cannot be exhibited without God, which would imply that God created man without them and demands servitude to part with them.

Why would a loving deity do that?

This is just so loop holed it doesent make sence. Half-baked arguements if you will,

First off, God made man as a perfect being, with all these attributes since we were not corrupted with God. However when we sinned we made it possible to go astray from God, by going astray with the attributes of what is good. 

Second, he does not demand servitude, he offers to forgive us and for us to reunited in him. And so called "servitude" is for the Lord, why would obeying God able you to"part", as you said above, from the good attributes? 

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"AlphaT" wrote:

This is just so loop holed it doesent make sence. Half-baked arguements if you will,

First off, God made man as a perfect being, with all these attributes since we were not corrupted with God. However when we sinned we made it possible to go astray from God, by going astray with the attributes of what is good. 

So it is possible to be good without God? That's all I wanted to clear up.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Second, he does not demand servitude, he offers to forgive us and for us to reunited in him. And so called "servitude" is for the Lord, why would obeying God able you to"part", as you said above, from the good attributes? 

I meant that God parts with the good attributes and gives them to us, rather than them being an innate part of us. And for this he demands your loyalty.

That's not really very benevolent, now is it?

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"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

This is just so loop holed it doesent make sence. Half-baked arguements if you will,

First off, God made man as a perfect being, with all these attributes since we were not corrupted with God. However when we sinned we made it possible to go astray from God, by going astray with the attributes of what is good. 

So it is possible to be good without God? That's all I wanted to clear up.

"AlphaT" wrote:

Second, he does not demand servitude, he offers to forgive us and for us to reunited in him. And so called "servitude" is for the Lord, why would obeying God able you to"part", as you said above, from the good attributes? 

I meant that God parts with the good attributes and gives them to us, rather than them being an innate part of us. And for this he demands your loyalty.

That's not really very benevolent, now is it?

1. to your first thing..its ######### to DO good based on your mindset on what is good, which can be right or wrong. But it IS impossible to BE good without God. Only he can make you righteous.


2.  He is a part of us, and he always was until man sinned, thankfully he loved us so much he sent Jesus to die for us, so as long as we accept his GIFT, then we can once again expierence his grace. He doesent demand loyalty, when will you understand its a gift that you will choose to reject or recieve.

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 He doesent demand loyalty

"Believe in me or burn in #### for eternity" sounds pretty demanding to me, whether it's a choice or not, lol. 

But it IS impossible to BE good without God.

This is why every ######## ever is an atheist! They just don't have the good Lord guiding them. 

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"AlphaT" wrote:

1. to your first thing..its ######### to DO good based on your mindset on what is good, which can be right or wrong. But it IS impossible to BE good without God. Only he can make you righteous.


2.  He is a part of us, and he always was until man sinned, thankfully he loved us so much he sent Jesus to die for us, so as long as we accept his GIFT, then we can once again expierence his grace. He doesent demand loyalty, when will you understand its a gift that you will choose to reject or recieve.

Then what is good, if not love for your fellow man? Sounds to me like God is withholding information from us which, again, isn't benevolent.

Also, a gift does not have prerequisites. You don't need to dance to the Benny Hill theme when someone gives you a gift, yet you are required to act in a certain way to receive the gift of God.

The gift of god is a prize for services rendered, which in this case would be his veneration.

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"Alekhine" wrote:

 He doesent demand loyalty

"Believe in me or burn in #### for eternity" sounds pretty demanding to me, whether it's a choice or not, lol. 

But it IS impossible to BE good without God.

This is why every ######## ever is an atheist! They just don't have the good Lord guiding them. 

turn this on its head. Believe me or your a dummie! "Richard Dawkins" 

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"AlphaT" wrote:

"Alekhine" wrote:

 He doesent demand loyalty

"Believe in me or burn in #### for eternity" sounds pretty demanding to me, whether it's a choice or not, lol. 

But it IS impossible to BE good without God.

This is why every ######## ever is an atheist! They just don't have the good Lord guiding them. 

turn this on its head. Believe me or your a dummie! "Richard Dawkins" 

What are you even saying, dude? 

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"AlphaT" wrote:

turn this on its head. Believe me or your a dummie! "Richard Dawkins" 

Dawkins doesn't send anyone that does not agree with him to a fiery realm of torment to be tortured for all eternity, though.

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"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

1. to your first thing..its ######### to DO good based on your mindset on what is good, which can be right or wrong. But it IS impossible to BE good without God. Only he can make you righteous.


2.  He is a part of us, and he always was until man sinned, thankfully he loved us so much he sent Jesus to die for us, so as long as we accept his GIFT, then we can once again expierence his grace. He doesent demand loyalty, when will you understand its a gift that you will choose to reject or recieve.

Then what is good, if not love for your fellow man? Sounds to me like God is withholding information from us which, again, isn't benevolent.

Also, a gift does not have prerequisites. You don't need to dance to the Benny Hill theme when someone gives you a gift, yet you are required to act in a certain way to receive the gift of God.

The gift of god is a prize for services rendered, which in this case would be his veneration.

God is good, ultimate omnibelovelence, thus what he says is good.


Are you required to do anything but ask when recieving God? "Ask, and it shall be given to you"


And you dont have to be serving God to get his gift, however if you feel compelled to live your life for the reason God created you, then your a fisher of men, preaching to others about the Glory of God. 

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