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Prove to me gay marriage is wrong

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Posted about 4 years ago

"Vertigo" wrote:



"-Kat-" wrote:


If only the government could just get a mob of people who think that gay marriage is completely fine because it would be so much easier to just skip to the truth than gursngo. 



Big Grin


WHOAWHOAWHOA!!

Did you just insinuate that our Government is capable of getting stuff done?


I know how bad of me. 

On another note: OUR government? 

GOOD DAY TO YOU


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Posted about 4 years ago

"-Kat-" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:



"-Kat-" wrote:


If only the government could just get a mob of people who think that gay marriage is completely fine because it would be so much easier to just skip to the truth than gursngo. 



Big Grin


WHOAWHOAWHOA!!

Did you just insinuate that our Government is capable of getting stuff done?


I know how bad of me. 

On another note: OUR government? 


"Our" insinuating the Gov't of the USA. The one that's causing all of the problems.

lulz


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Posted about 4 years ago

"Vertigo" wrote:



"-Kat-" wrote:




"Vertigo" wrote:






"-Kat-" wrote:




If only the government could just get a mob of people who think that gay marriage is completely fine because it would be so much easier to just skip to the truth than gursngo. 




Big Grin


WHOAWHOAWHOA!!

Did you just insinuate that our Government is capable of getting stuff done?


I know how bad of me. 

On another note: OUR government? 


"Our" insinuating the Gov't of the USA. The one that's causing all of the problems.

lulz


Meh. Just go up there and tell them to get their heads straight. :3

GOOD DAY TO YOU


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Posted about 4 years ago

"-Kat-" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:



"-Kat-" wrote:




"Vertigo" wrote:






"-Kat-" wrote:




If only the government could just get a mob of people who think that gay marriage is completely fine because it would be so much easier to just skip to the truth than gursngo. 




Big Grin


WHOAWHOAWHOA!!

Did you just insinuate that our Government is capable of getting stuff done?


I know how bad of me. 

On another note: OUR government? 


"Our" insinuating the Gov't of the USA. The one that's causing all of the problems.

lulz


Meh. Just go up there and tell them to get their heads straight. :3


They'll have to get 'em out of somewhere first, if you catch my drift.


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Posted about 4 years ago

"Vertigo" wrote:



"-Kat-" wrote:




"Vertigo" wrote:






"-Kat-" wrote:







"Vertigo" wrote:









"-Kat-" wrote:






If only the government could just get a mob of people who think that gay marriage is completely fine because it would be so much easier to just skip to the truth than gursngo. 





Big Grin


WHOAWHOAWHOA!!

Did you just insinuate that our Government is capable of getting stuff done?


I know how bad of me. 

On another note: OUR government? 


"Our" insinuating the Gov't of the USA. The one that's causing all of the problems.

lulz


Meh. Just go up there and tell them to get their heads straight. :3


They'll have to get 'em out of somewhere first, if you catch my drift.


Hahahahaa

GOOD DAY TO YOU


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Posted about 4 years ago

"-Kat-" wrote:

"Vertigo" wrote:



"-Kat-" wrote:




"Vertigo" wrote:






"-Kat-" wrote:







"Vertigo" wrote:









"-Kat-" wrote:






If only the government could just get a mob of people who think that gay marriage is completely fine because it would be so much easier to just skip to the truth than gursngo. 





Big Grin


WHOAWHOAWHOA!!

Did you just insinuate that our Government is capable of getting stuff done?


I know how bad of me. 

On another note: OUR government? 


"Our" insinuating the Gov't of the USA. The one that's causing all of the problems.

lulz


Meh. Just go up there and tell them to get their heads straight. :3


They'll have to get 'em out of somewhere first, if you catch my drift.


Hahahahaa


 Wink Gotta go.


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Posted about 4 years ago

"Vertigo" wrote:



"-Kat-" wrote:




"Vertigo" wrote:






"-Kat-" wrote:







"Vertigo" wrote:









"-Kat-" wrote:










"Vertigo" wrote:












"-Kat-" wrote:








If only the government could just get a mob of people who think that gay marriage is completely fine because it would be so much easier to just skip to the truth than gursngo. 






Big Grin


WHOAWHOAWHOA!!

Did you just insinuate that our Government is capable of getting stuff done?


I know how bad of me. 

On another note: OUR government? 


"Our" insinuating the Gov't of the USA. The one that's causing all of the problems.

lulz


Meh. Just go up there and tell them to get their heads straight. :3


They'll have to get 'em out of somewhere first, if you catch my drift.


Hahahahaa


 Wink Gotta go.


Chiao, have a nice day. :3

GOOD DAY TO YOU


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Posted about 4 years ago
Gay Marriage is NOT wrong. I acually find it quite adorable ^_^ Well God made each, and everyone of us. He made some people straight, somepeople Bisexual, some people Homosexual. He made us US and if he made some people gay, do u think he would go against his own rules? No. And dont you dare tell me im ruling for satan cause it says nothing in the Bible about satan and gays. This should not be brought in to religius eyes of WRONG. God loves each and every one of us, gay or not.

Zephyr Moon Walker
*Practicing Wiccan*


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Posted about 4 years ago

"Vertigo" wrote:







"AlphaT" wrote:






I agree about the religion part, though it was expressed a little on the.....Dogmatic Extremist part shall we say? I understand why you put the stips into the debate, but it's like me saying "Give me Evidence For Gravity without using science or a keyboard" Your taking away the logical reason for the answer. But I get it, you think it takes away a knowledgeable answer....but however, its not just like God said it was ew and threw it out as a sin....he had reasons. Thus giving the possibility of a knowledgeable debate. Also, Its not a frightening thing, its just sin.  We believe they should have all apparent rights, including those to civil union even...but when Marriage goes from its legal context to its spiritual meaning, then that is what we are against. They have the free will to live, Vote and serve in the Military, and own property....I don't see how the Deceleration fits into this. Specifically, this "Creator" in the text speaks out against homosexual marriage.


The only difference for your gravity argument is I could drop an apple from the leaning tower of Pisa, and it would fall. Also, science has been proven to be reliable time and time again, whereas religion is a matter of opinion, but I digress.

If you believe that God has a plan for everyone, then you believe that he made Gay people. Why would he make them? Hell's got some extra space? If God is setting these people up to fail, that doesn't seem very fair. You could say, "He's testing their faith in him!" but that's like saying, "He's testing their faith by making them Asian," That's something unalterable.

If you truly believe in God, then you believe that he will deal with sinners by making them spend eternity in Hell. If God truly has a beef with Gays getting married, then he'll deal with them when the time comes. Why must Man do God's work for him? Let the poor guys be happy while on Earth, they've got an eternity to suffer.

The Declaration fits into the legal issue of this debate quite well. If the pursuit of happiness is our unalienable right, then any man, woman, or child, be they black or white, gay or straight, deserves to be happy. The "Creator" may speak out against gays getting married, but he made everyone with a plan in mind. And if there's one thing you've taught me over our debating history, is that God works in mysterious ways.
Exactly, now...take away all experimentation, science, and fact, and prove gravity exists. You can't because you took away exactly what proves it, I'm trying to get you to see your stipulation is taking away the AUCTAUL reason for why it is wrong. So, when God created....Al Capone, God's plan was for him to murder people, expand gangs and get arrested for tax evasion? Yes, God creates people...but their choices make them make their own path, and when not in align with God, they can go off their path. So no, God is not setting people to fail, they are created, they choose to do right or wrong.  Think about this, if God has a 'beef' with sinners, which is all of us, then why does he intervene at all if they are going to this eternal place? That's like saying "Hitler is going to lose the war anyway, why should we stop him from committing the holocaust?" How many lives and sins can be saved by people who God works through? About the Deceleration...it all depends on what makes you happy...this creator endowed these rights, but this same creator says that it is an abomination to marry of the same type. Same thing with robbery, should you pursue robbery if it makes you happy? No, because not only does the creator who endowed the right forbid it, it has a negative effect on the public. Yeah, God works in mysterious ways...I even saw that firsthand today.


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Posted about 4 years ago

"AlphaT" wrote:

Exactly, now...take away all experimentation, science, and fact, and prove gravity exists. You can't because you took away exactly what proves it, I'm trying to get you to see your stipulation is taking away the AUCTAUL reason for why it is wrong.


So basically, prove to you gravity exists without actually doing anything?
Comparing gravity to the problems with gay marriage is like comparing sunglasses and doors. The two are completely different, and therefore have no factual relevance to each other.

Besides... if I punched you in the head, you'd fall to the ground. Gravity... boom.


"AlphaT" wrote:

So, when God created....Al Capone, God's plan was for him to murder people, expand gangs and get arrested for tax evasion? Yes, God creates people...but their choices make them make their own path, and when not in align with God, they can go off their path. So no, God is not setting people to fail, they are created, they choose to do right or wrong.  Think about this, if God has a 'beef' with sinners, which is all of us, then why does he intervene at all if they are going to this eternal place? That's like saying "Hitler is going to lose the war anyway, why should we stop him from committing the holocaust?" How many lives and sins can be saved by people who God works through?


Excuse me, but I was taught that God has a plan for all of us. That every person is a piece in an incomprehensible puzzle designed by the omnipotent creator. So you're telling me, that Al Capone had a stronger will than God?

...I'm failing to see the logic behind the allusion to Hitler.
You're telling me, that letting two guys get married, is equivalent to one man cooking millions of people in ovens?

Okay then.


"AlphaT" wrote:

About the Deceleration...it all depends on what makes you happy...this creator endowed these rights, but this same creator says that it is an abomination to marry of the same type. Same thing with robbery, should you pursue robbery if it makes you happy? No, because not only does the creator who endowed the right forbid it, it has a negative effect on the public. Yeah, God works in mysterious ways...I even saw that firsthand today.


I understand the robbery bit, and I agree. That's why we have laws.
The difference is, gay people don't wish to commit a crime when they're getting married.

Do you understand the real difference between gays and straights?
One line of code in our DNA.
In that incredible twisting ladder, there is a gene that determines whether you like guys or girls. That gene, if there is a god, was put there on purpose.
Now why would he do that?
"He's testing their faith!"
It'd be pretty hard to have faith in a god who set you up for teasing, physical abuse, and unequal treatment for your whole life eh?

And by the way, I met Jesus yesterday. He showed me to my table at a restaurant.


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