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Posted over 4 years ago

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:



"jake01" wrote:


The U.S. Constitution was written with religion in mind. During that time religion was a very large part of life and something like this wasn't expected to happen. That is also how we have based our laws was on the Christian faith. Go and look up the reason why we have the separation of Church and State and you see what the real reason was. 


It was written with religion in mind as being separate. You won't find the words "God", "creator", or "Jesus" in the constitution. They didn't include religious terminology because they wanted this new government to not deal in the matters of religion; as made abundantly clear by the first amendment. Religion was no doubt a huge part of the culture in America then, and now, but culture and government are two entirely separate entities. 

If states want to ban gay marriage, that's an entirely different thing. I just don't think the federal government should be able to, as it is not their right to define marriage, or to enforce biblical sentiment as law. I think it's backwards and completely wrong for states to ban gay marriage, but if they want to, that is their right alloted by the tenth amendment. 


Just out of curiosity, how much power should the federal gov't have over legislature compared to the states in your eyes? I'm asking because I'm wondering where the line should be drawn between "states should decide X" as opposed to "federal gov't should decide X" 

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...


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Posted over 4 years ago

"TearsInTheRain" wrote:



"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:






"jake01" wrote:




The U.S. Constitution was written with religion in mind. During that time religion was a very large part of life and something like this wasn't expected to happen. That is also how we have based our laws was on the Christian faith. Go and look up the reason why we have the separation of Church and State and you see what the real reason was. 


It was written with religion in mind as being separate. You won't find the words "God", "creator", or "Jesus" in the constitution. They didn't include religious terminology because they wanted this new government to not deal in the matters of religion; as made abundantly clear by the first amendment. Religion was no doubt a huge part of the culture in America then, and now, but culture and government are two entirely separate entities. 

If states want to ban gay marriage, that's an entirely different thing. I just don't think the federal government should be able to, as it is not their right to define marriage, or to enforce biblical sentiment as law. I think it's backwards and completely wrong for states to ban gay marriage, but if they want to, that is their right alloted by the tenth amendment. 


Just out of curiosity, how much power should the federal gov't have over legislature compared to the states in your eyes? I'm asking because I'm wondering where the line should be drawn between "states should decide X" as opposed to "federal gov't should decide X" 


I don't think that states should let people vote on things that determine the rights of other people. I think that personal rights need to be defended by the federal government, although, that's not really what's been going on as of late. 

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Posted over 4 years ago

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:



"TearsInTheRain" wrote:






"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:









"jake01" wrote:






The U.S. Constitution was written with religion in mind. During that time religion was a very large part of life and something like this wasn't expected to happen. That is also how we have based our laws was on the Christian faith. Go and look up the reason why we have the separation of Church and State and you see what the real reason was. 


It was written with religion in mind as being separate. You won't find the words "God", "creator", or "Jesus" in the constitution. They didn't include religious terminology because they wanted this new government to not deal in the matters of religion; as made abundantly clear by the first amendment. Religion was no doubt a huge part of the culture in America then, and now, but culture and government are two entirely separate entities. 

If states want to ban gay marriage, that's an entirely different thing. I just don't think the federal government should be able to, as it is not their right to define marriage, or to enforce biblical sentiment as law. I think it's backwards and completely wrong for states to ban gay marriage, but if they want to, that is their right alloted by the tenth amendment. 


Just out of curiosity, how much power should the federal gov't have over legislature compared to the states in your eyes? I'm asking because I'm wondering where the line should be drawn between "states should decide X" as opposed to "federal gov't should decide X" 


I don't think that states should let people vote on things that determine the rights of other people. I think that personal rights need to be defended by the federal government, although, that's not really what's been going on as of late. 


What's the difference between states defining what rights you have and defending those, and the federal government defining what rights you have and defending those?  

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...


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Posted over 4 years ago
maybe the constitution was wrong

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Posted over 4 years ago

"TearsInTheRain" wrote:



"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:






"TearsInTheRain" wrote:









"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:












"jake01" wrote:








The U.S. Constitution was written with religion in mind. During that time religion was a very large part of life and something like this wasn't expected to happen. That is also how we have based our laws was on the Christian faith. Go and look up the reason why we have the separation of Church and State and you see what the real reason was. 


It was written with religion in mind as being separate. You won't find the words "God", "creator", or "Jesus" in the constitution. They didn't include religious terminology because they wanted this new government to not deal in the matters of religion; as made abundantly clear by the first amendment. Religion was no doubt a huge part of the culture in America then, and now, but culture and government are two entirely separate entities. 

If states want to ban gay marriage, that's an entirely different thing. I just don't think the federal government should be able to, as it is not their right to define marriage, or to enforce biblical sentiment as law. I think it's backwards and completely wrong for states to ban gay marriage, but if they want to, that is their right alloted by the tenth amendment. 


Just out of curiosity, how much power should the federal gov't have over legislature compared to the states in your eyes? I'm asking because I'm wondering where the line should be drawn between "states should decide X" as opposed to "federal gov't should decide X" 


I don't think that states should let people vote on things that determine the rights of other people. I think that personal rights need to be defended by the federal government, although, that's not really what's been going on as of late. 


What's the difference between states defining what rights you have and defending those, and the federal government defining what rights you have and defending those?  


The federal government has certain rights and benefits that the states don't, and states have certain rights and benefits that the feds don't. I specifically want the federal government to protect our rights because it reaches across all the states. I think that both state and federal governments should be active in defending our rights. 

I don't mind laws restricting people from doing things that will negatively affect others, and to me I don't really care whether it's the state or federal government that implements them. However, I don't want any government to restrict my rights to do things that don't negatively affect others (like marriage). 

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