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So anyway and if oyu think to question me then tell me some in a nice way. And i shallnot be rude back. Ok so you've read all my other comments tell me why you disagree.
So tell me, why is it that a fetus is still under the control of the woman? I can understand if this was s tumor, or a cancer, or an abnormal growth....but this is a human being. Why does she have a right over another human being?











Ok well the fact that you think that the cells just starting out the baby is a baby is wrong.  And if you think i said that in any rude way just say so nicely i'm done fighting. Anyway like i said their cells not an actual baby's body so no the mom is not taking away the baby's right over it's body. and that is why i still think that if a women want to then they can cause as i said before it's the woman's body and not yours. 

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Posted about 3 years ago

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"AlphaT" wrote:








"LAZY778" wrote:




So anyway and if oyu think to question me then tell me some in a nice way. And i shallnot be rude back. Ok so you've read all my other comments tell me why you disagree.
So tell me, why is it that a fetus is still under the control of the woman? I can understand if this was s tumor, or a cancer, or an abnormal growth....but this is a human being. Why does she have a right over another human being?











Ok well the fact that you think that the cells just starting out the baby is a baby is wrong.  And if you think i said that in any rude way just say so nicely i'm done fighting. Anyway like i said their cells not an actual baby's body so no the mom is not taking away the baby's right over it's body. and that is why i still think that if a women want to then they can cause as i said before it's the woman's body and not yours. 
Well, my question to you would be...are these cells just cells? Cells are everywhere, bacteria is a cell. But the cells that we are talking about are going to become a human. Now, no one can dispute this, so with that said...what's the difference in a baby who is 8 days old and a bay who is 18 weeks old? You just saw what a few weeks will do, so are we really going to race against the clock to murder a human being?


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Posted about 3 years ago

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It is an attack, because it specifically seeks to discredit people with an opposing viewpoint. Claiming that kids in general are likely to mirror their parents views is fine and valid, however, suggesting that kids with opposing views are most likely mirroring their parents views is a thinly veiled ad hominem.  
You know i bet that most of you are just repeating what you parents said, i seriously doubt any of you actually know what your saying. Is what ever your posting really truly what you think? I don't think it is.

I don't see where she is only applying this to views opposite of her own. Regardless of her "I am speeking what I truly think" bit, Im sure she'd agree that some on her side of the debate also model their views on the subject from their parents.



 


It is not stated in the post directly, it is implied based on the context of the post, considering every post that wasn't theirs since the thread was revived, save one, was disagreeing with them. If I was in a thread, and everybody was disagreeing with me, and then I made a post saying that "You know, I bet most of you are just repeating what your parents said" I think it would be rather obvious what my intentions were. 









I was not trying to be rude i was speaking my mind and again if you think i'm lying when i say i'm not just copying what my parents said than again fine i truly don't care. But i was not trying to accuse or be rude in any way shape or form. My intentions were that maybe all us kids are not gonna help our world in the future cause if you noticed we're kind of going down hill. My intentions were that you should have your own opinion not say or think what another person told you you should. Speak your own minds instead of copying what another person told you.Tell me how many people would believe one of those stupid weight loss commercials if the person in the commercial was not say a famous or fairly wealthy person. So my intentions were apparently not clear or you took it the wrong way. So tell me what you think and i'll answer your rude comment or just comment that i was wrong and your right.


Sorry, I hope that I don't sound rude. Scold me severely if I do! LAZY778, I'd like to make it clear that we are not all "brainwashed" by are parents. Though they may influence us, most us have come to form our own conclusions. I believe that abortion is morally wrong. Yes ,based upon how as I was raised, but by also what I have observed -through my religion, through the world, etc. It can be argued that abortion is okay.  After all, it's a life that hasn't started isn't it? However, life starts at the moment of conception. It is impossible to abort a child that hasn't been conceived, therefore a life has stopped for each and every one. Argue as you will, but nothing is going to change my mind. Even if my parents decide that abortion is fine...

Again, I'd like to apologize. I'm doing more of explaining my ground than supporting my opinion.


If I may reply to your point, it is often not that we are saying it's not alive or not a life, although some abortionists do say this, but rather that it is an acceptable termination of life, or killing, if you think I'm using words that are avoiding the subject. There are many contexts in which the taking of a life is considered acceptable by law, and abortionists generally suggest that abortion should be included in this group. 


That's true. Funny, isn't it? A man may be given capital punishment for mass genocide -extreme situation...- and a child who's fault is simply existing may be given the same fate. In both situations the one who is responsible for the killing of the two is not punished -by law anyway.

Moving on from my snarkiness... abortionist do generally accept that abortion should be grouped in such a way, but then it can be argued: Does abortion fall correctly under this category?

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Posted about 3 years ago

"AlphaT" wrote:



"LAZY778" wrote:








"AlphaT" wrote:


















"LAZY778" wrote:








So anyway and if oyu think to question me then tell me some in a nice way. And i shallnot be rude back. Ok so you've read all my other comments tell me why you disagree.
So tell me, why is it that a fetus is still under the control of the woman? I can understand if this was s tumor, or a cancer, or an abnormal growth....but this is a human being. Why does she have a right over another human being?











Ok well the fact that you think that the cells just starting out the baby is a baby is wrong.  And if you think i said that in any rude way just say so nicely i'm done fighting. Anyway like i said their cells not an actual baby's body so no the mom is not taking away the baby's right over it's body. and that is why i still think that if a women want to then they can cause as i said before it's the woman's body and not yours. 
Well, my question to you would be...are these cells just cells? Cells are everywhere, bacteria is a cell. But the cells that we are talking about are going to become a human. Now, no one can dispute this, so with that said...what's the difference in a baby who is 8 days old and a bay who is 18 weeks old? You just saw what a few weeks will do, so are we really going to race against the clock to murder a human being?


Another reason why development doesn't necessarily matter. Our "development" is not just a little phase. We go through our whole life with some rapid -and some slower changes. We can agree that it's not morally right to "kill" a child when it's been born, why is it acceptable to do so before then? 

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Posted about 3 years ago


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That's true. Funny, isn't it? A man may be given capital punishment for mass genocide -extreme situation...- and a child who's fault is simply existing may be given the same fate. In both situations the one who is responsible for the killing of the two is not punished -by law anyway.







Moving on from my snarkiness... abortionist do generally accept that abortion should be grouped in such a way, but then it can be argued: Does abortion fall correctly under this category?



It is an unfortunate reality, but you do not have to be a fetus to lose your life, simply for existing at the wrong time in the wrong place. It can happen to anyone. Your 'right' to live is not particularly sacred in the eyes of anyone other than your fellow humans, and even among them this is a point of contention. It can be snatched away from you at any moment, often without any guilt on the part of the acting force, which may very likely not even be a living thing. But don't worry.

The question you pose seems to be the central question of the abortion argument as a whole, should it fall under the category of justified killings? I would generally argue that abortion can be classified as self defense of sorts. It is a situation that happens to somebody, not something someone chooses to have happen, except in the case of in vitro fertilization in which you may have a point (choosing to engage in certain activities and choosing to get pregnant are NOT the same thing). It is a situation that definitely can be harmful to the woman involved, and I think we're at a point in the development of society where we don't really need all these people. Not every pregnancy needs to come to full term, and I think we'd have a worse, and much more crowded world if we didn't let women get abortions. Actually, it probably wouldn't be too different. That's another thing, is that even if we don't let them, we suddenly start seeing a huge increase in the rate of illegal abortions, and suddenly we're imprisoning women who would've otherwise been productive non-criminal members of society, which I generally consider a bad thing. 


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Posted about 3 years ago

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"american_brit" wrote:




















That's true. Funny, isn't it? A man may be given capital punishment for mass genocide -extreme situation...- and a child who's fault is simply existing may be given the same fate. In both situations the one who is responsible for the killing of the two is not punished -by law anyway.















Moving on from my snarkiness... abortionist do generally accept that abortion should be grouped in such a way, but then it can be argued: Does abortion fall correctly under this category?



It is an unfortunate reality, but you do not have to be a fetus to lose your life, simply for existing at the wrong time in the wrong place. It can happen to anyone. Your 'right' to live is not particularly sacred in the eyes of anyone other than your fellow humans, and even among them this is a point of contention. It can be snatched away from you at any moment, often without any guilt on the part of the acting force, which may very likely not even be a living thing. But don't worry.

The question you pose seems to be the central question of the abortion argument as a whole, should it fall under the category of justified killings? I would generally argue that abortion can be classified as self defense of sorts. It is a situation that happens to somebody, not something someone chooses to have happen, except in the case of in vitro fertilization in which you may have a point (choosing to engage in certain activities and choosing to get pregnant are NOT the same thing). It is a situation that definitely can be harmful to the woman involved, and I think we're at a point in the development of society where we don't really need all these people. Not every pregnancy needs to come to full term, and I think we'd have a worse, and much more crowded world if we didn't let women get abortions. Actually, it probably wouldn't be too different. That's another thing, is that even if we don't let them, we suddenly start seeing a huge increase in the rate of illegal abortions, and suddenly we're imprisoning women who would've otherwise been productive non-criminal members of society, which I generally consider a bad thing. 



I'm grinning from ear to ear. That was great ^-^ A few of your statements came off as a little harsh, "we're at a point in the development of society where we don't really need all these people," for example -put your point was made nicely and I don't believe you meant to do so.


Personally, I believe that if you're to willingly engage in such "activities" you need to be full aware and responsible of the consequences. You do this... and you do that... there is a highly possible outcome. Abortion shouldn't be a fall back for those who don't want to take responsibility of their actions. Again, this my personal opinion. Everyone is entitled their own. Now...
Pregnancies in the case where the girl impregnated is a victim,  are often "solved" by abortion. It can be harmful and distressing for someone to go through the whole pregnancy process, can't it? I'm not going to lie, the answer is yes. It can be. Let's not forget the trauma of abortion though.  Many women who have one have suffered immensely. (I can't remember exact statistics and this computer's acting up, I'm sorry.) Often, it is claimed as more traumatizing and/or harmful to the body... but! Many of those who are victims choose to have their child despite not expecting it... 

There are also other alternatives.  Adoption as commonly mentioned before; Pregnancy Centers... 
 
 

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No Matter How Small...

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Posted about 3 years ago

"american_brit" wrote:



"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:
















"american_brit" wrote:








































That's true. Funny, isn't it? A man may be given capital punishment for mass genocide -extreme situation...- and a child who's fault is simply existing may be given the same fate. In both situations the one who is responsible for the killing of the two is not punished -by law anyway.































Moving on from my snarkiness... abortionist do generally accept that abortion should be grouped in such a way, but then it can be argued: Does abortion fall correctly under this category?



It is an unfortunate reality, but you do not have to be a fetus to lose your life, simply for existing at the wrong time in the wrong place. It can happen to anyone. Your 'right' to live is not particularly sacred in the eyes of anyone other than your fellow humans, and even among them this is a point of contention. It can be snatched away from you at any moment, often without any guilt on the part of the acting force, which may very likely not even be a living thing. But don't worry.

The question you pose seems to be the central question of the abortion argument as a whole, should it fall under the category of justified killings? I would generally argue that abortion can be classified as self defense of sorts. It is a situation that happens to somebody, not something someone chooses to have happen, except in the case of in vitro fertilization in which you may have a point (choosing to engage in certain activities and choosing to get pregnant are NOT the same thing). It is a situation that definitely can be harmful to the woman involved, and I think we're at a point in the development of society where we don't really need all these people. Not every pregnancy needs to come to full term, and I think we'd have a worse, and much more crowded world if we didn't let women get abortions. Actually, it probably wouldn't be too different. That's another thing, is that even if we don't let them, we suddenly start seeing a huge increase in the rate of illegal abortions, and suddenly we're imprisoning women who would've otherwise been productive non-criminal members of society, which I generally consider a bad thing. 
 


I'm grinning from ear to ear. That was great ^-^ A few of your statements came off as a little harsh, "we're at a point in the development of society where we don't really need all these people," for example -put your point was made nicely and I don't believe you meant to do so.


Personally, I believe that if you're to willingly engage in such "activities" you need to be full aware and responsible of the consequences. You do this... and you do that... there is a highly possible outcome. Abortion shouldn't be a fall back for those who don't want to take responsibility of their actions. Again, this my personal opinion. Everyone is entitled their own. Now...
Pregnancies in the case where the girl impregnated is a victim,  are often "solved" by abortion. It can be harmful and distressing for someone to go through the whole pregnancy process, can't it? I'm not going to lie, the answer is yes. It can be. Let's not forget the trauma of abortion though.  Many women who have one have suffered immensely. (I can't remember exact statistics and this computer's acting up, I'm sorry.) Often, it is claimed as more traumatizing and/or harmful to the body... but! Many of those who are victims choose to have their child despite not expecting it... 

There are also other alternatives.  Adoption as commonly mentioned before; Pregnancy Centers... 
 

 


See, it comes off as harsh, but it is my main point, even if I worded it harshly. Let me put it this way, not everyone needs to have children. We don't actually need everyone to have a baby, or two, or more. The world has enough. It also turns out that the people who have the most kids are more likely to be uneducated and poor. Now, that's not to say that poor and uneducated people can't make good parents or produce bright children, but they are definitely more likely to be bad parents, and to produce 'bad' kids. If someone is saying that they are not at a point in their life where they're ready to have a kid but they find themselves pregnant, then I think that abortion can be the responsible and morally righteous decision. I think it's wrong to bring a kid into the world only to ship them off to a government institution where they may or may not be adopted and then may or may not go to a good home, but will definitely be at a much higher risk for being in an abusive environment. I also think it's wrong to force a woman to maintain her pregnancy against her will to bring to term a child she doesn't want. We so often talk about the rights of the child, but completely forget about the rights of the woman, who is already a person and living a life. We also forget about the draconian and downright authoritarian measures involved with enforcing these laws. I do not think we should value an entirely dependent fetus' right to live over a woman's right to control her reproductive cycle, or even her right to simply have sovereignty over her own body. 





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I'm going to have to respond later. This computer has really been giving me some trouble. (Hope I don't forget what I was going to "say.") Until then, goodnight!

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This is so wrong of course! You are killing a human!!!!!! This is very bad...... It is also a crime, actually. Because, like I said you are killing a human. But I don't know why people are so blind to see this. They normally said it's good for you. At least you no need to take care of the baby. Espcially when you are a teen mum. But I disagree it......


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