If an omniscient God exists. The absolute knowledge that an event will occur / a human action will take place removes the possibility of that individual having free will. Because their event is already pre-determined, they have no chance to deviate from that path. What you experience as free will (if there is an omniscient being) is merely an illusion from a non-omniscient perspective in an absurd universe.  Just as the past has absolutely been followed, the presence of an omniscient being would apply the same principle to the future; that it is utterly unchangeable. Don't get mixed up, however, with the absolute knowledge a supernatural force would possess, and the relative knowledge that a non-omniscient being like yourself would possess. I've seen examples that have said something along the lines of "you definitely know your kid will eat a bowl of candy over a bowl of dead, rotting mice, and that because you know this, you're not forcing them to do it" This is not absolute knowledge. This is using a lot of evidence to support the claim that your kid will almost certainly eat the candy over the mice, but you cannot be absolutely sure. 

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"MikhailTal" wrote:

If an omniscient God exists. The absolute knowledge that an event will occur / a human action will take place removes the possibility of that individual having free will. Because their event is already pre-determined, they have no chance to deviate from that path. What you experience as free will (if there is an omniscient being) is merely an illusion from a non-omniscient perspective in an absurd universe. Just as the past has absolutely been followed, the presence of an omniscient being would apply the same principle to the future; that it is utterly unchangeable. Don't get mixed up, however, with the absolute knowledge a supernatural force would possess, and the relative knowledge that a non-omniscient being like yourself would possess. I've seen examples that have said something along the lines of "you definitely know your kid will eat a bowl of candy over a bowl of dead, rotting mice, and that because you know this, you're not forcing them to do it" This is not absolute knowledge. This is using a lot of evidence to support the claim that your kid will almost certainly eat the candy over the mice, but you cannot be absolutely sure.

Your acting as if that since God knows what we will do he inforces it... These have no correlation when carefully thought over.

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once again plummeted into the dust by AlphaT lock pls

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If God didn't exist, we wouldn't be here. Nothing would. Monkeys didn't make us, and neither did rocks.

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"Amy4947" wrote:

If God didn't exist, we wouldn't be here. Nothing would. Monkeys didn't make us, and neither did rocks.

Utterly irrelevant.

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"Amy4947" wrote:

If God didn't exist, we wouldn't be here. Nothing would. Monkeys didn't make us, and neither did rocks.

yes, you are correct. monkeys nor rocks created us. it was more like the evolution of species over millions and millions of years. 

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anyway regardless if there is a god or not free will is still an illusion.  everyone thinks our choices matter, but they really don't in the grand scheme of running this wonderful country of ours. 

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God knows what will happen, but lets us make our own decisions... I do not see how God knowing something, also controls something.

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do you believe in alternate realities then?

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"Jack Mack" wrote:

anyway regardless if there is a god or not free will is still an illusion.  everyone thinks our choices matter, but they really don't in the grand scheme of running this wonderful country of ours. 

It's not totally an illusion. What do you think the American people fight for? Freedom isn't free. Though I do believe that the economy is too large. If we're not careful in a couple-hundred years we'll be a Communist country. Yes, I'm one of those "crazy people" XD

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