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Free Will is an Illusion

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lemme get the code of that thingy in your siggy

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Free Will is an Illusion

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"ultraboy789" wrote:

lemme get the code of that thingy in your siggy
Tru asked the same thing! YOU GET NOTHING.

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Free Will is an Illusion

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awwwww..... i thought we were friends! *runs away and cries*

Daleks

the awesomest show on earth give it up for doctor who!!!!!! i ♥ you amy pond (the doctors companion)

amy pond (karen gillan)

isn't she cute? no, SHE'S GORGEOUS I ♥ HER!!!!

never again

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are ever so confident and the intelligent are full of doubt.


Free Will is an Illusion

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"Sage_kittycat" wrote:

"ultraboy789" wrote:

lemme get the code of that thingy in your siggy
Tru asked the same thing! YOU GET NOTHING.
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Free Will is an Illusion

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"ultraboy789" wrote:

awwwww..... i thought we were friends! *runs away and cries*
T_T No.

"Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead."


Free Will is an Illusion

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ultraboy789
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just let me get the code sage

Daleks

the awesomest show on earth give it up for doctor who!!!!!! i ♥ you amy pond (the doctors companion)

amy pond (karen gillan)

isn't she cute? no, SHE'S GORGEOUS I ♥ HER!!!!

never again

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are ever so confident and the intelligent are full of doubt.


Free Will is an Illusion

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"ultraboy789" wrote:

just let me get the code sage
If ya want it that bad get the pics yourself. Gosh.

"Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead."


Free Will is an Illusion

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"AlphaT" wrote:

"MikhailTal" wrote:

If an omniscient God exists. The absolute knowledge that an event will occur / a human action will take place removes the possibility of that individual having free will. Because their event is already pre-determined, they have no chance to deviate from that path. What you experience as free will (if there is an omniscient being) is merely an illusion from a non-omniscient perspective in an absurd universe. Just as the past has absolutely been followed, the presence of an omniscient being would apply the same principle to the future; that it is utterly unchangeable. Don't get mixed up, however, with the absolute knowledge a supernatural force would possess, and the relative knowledge that a non-omniscient being like yourself would possess. I've seen examples that have said something along the lines of "you definitely know your kid will eat a bowl of candy over a bowl of dead, rotting mice, and that because you know this, you're not forcing them to do it" This is not absolute knowledge. This is using a lot of evidence to support the claim that your kid will almost certainly eat the candy over the mice, but you cannot be absolutely sure.
Your acting as if that since God knows what we will do he inforces it... These have no correlation when carefully thought over.



 I agreed with AlphaT

       You actually suceeded in contradicting yourself using over 500 words... Yes, God contains knowledge of your actions past and 'to come' however, he doesn't control them. The Bible depicts that God actually gives people the choice whether to believe in him or not, and whether or not to obey him. (He didn't force Adam & Eve to eat the apple). And no one is forced into following Christianity either. That's why faith is so important in any religion, because no one can force you to trust or believe in anything. You control your own mind and heart. You have Free Will.  


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Free Will is an Illusion

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 I agreed with AlphaT

       You actually suceeded in contradicting yourself using over 500 words... Yes, God contains knowledge of your actions past and 'to come' however, he doesn't control them. The Bible depicts that God actually gives people the choice whether to believe in him or not, and whether or not to obey him. (He didn't force Adam & Eve to eat the apple). And no one is forced into following Christianity either. That's why faith is so important in any religion, because no one can force you to trust or believe in anything. You control your own mind and heart. You have Free Will.  


Is it too hard to ask that you actually read the post that kind of... you know, completely debunks this?

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Free Will is an Illusion

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"MikhailTal" wrote:

I've seen examples that have said something along the lines of "you definitely know your kid will eat a bowl of candy over a bowl of dead, rotting mice, and that because you know this, you're not forcing them to do it" This is not absolute knowledge. This is using a lot of evidence to support the claim that your kid will almost certainly eat the candy over the mice, but you cannot be absolutely sure. 

Even if the parents were 100% sure (somehow) that their kids eat the candy over the mice, why would it force the kids to eat it?
God knows what we will do, Gods omniscience doesn't create the action we will do before we do it. Why would that be the case? How did you determine that because God knows what we will do, we will be doing something determined? 

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