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Science vs Religion?

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Posted about 4 years ago

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:


I think you have a definition mix up. Omnipotent and All Powerful are two different things.

But those two are synonyms. 

Omnipotent; almighty or infinite in power

All powerful;########### supreme power, omnipotent

They are literally words that mean the same thing.



Look, They do not mean the same thing. Sin is foreigen of God....i.e. God cannot destroy it. So you might think he is not omnipotent. Omnipotent means you have complete control of everything. Sin is beyond the boundary of God's Creation...but God can redeem sin through acceptence of Jesus Christ. And if you argue that "Why then do we accept Jesus?"....a fully human had to be there to take the price of sin (Death)  to be fit for humanity.

Look, they do mean the same thing.

This isn't about religion, it's about a basic understanding of language.

Omnipotent directly translates to all powerful. They mean literally the exact same thing. 

It's like me telling you that blue and azul are two entirely different concepts because one is in another language. 


Wont be the best of answers since im taking on two of you.

Okay, so find me where in another language all powerful means omnipotent. 


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Posted about 4 years ago

"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

Look, They do not mean the same thing. Sin is foreigen of God....i.e. God cannot destroy it. So you might think he is not omnipotent. Omnipotent means you have complete control of everything. Sin is beyond the boundary of God's Creation...but God can redeem sin through acceptence of Jesus Christ. And if you argue that "Why then do we accept Jesus?"....a fully human had to be there to take the price of sin (Death)  to be fit for humanity.

Even if we drop the omnipotency aspect of God, at least you can agree that he should be omniscient. And if he is, he knew that man would fail to resist the temptation to taste from the tree of forbidden knowledge, yet he did nothing. So in essence, God is the reason we have sin, and then punishes us for it.

In fact, we could go even further and claim that God made us capable of sin in the first place. If he had made us infallible, Eve would never have fallen prey to the temptations of the serpent.





What could he have done? He commanded us not to eat from the tree did he not?

If he had made us infallible, then we would be robots.  


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Posted about 4 years ago

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:


I think you have a definition mix up. Omnipotent and All Powerful are two different things.

But those two are synonyms. 

Omnipotent; almighty or infinite in power

All powerful;########### supreme power, omnipotent

They are literally words that mean the same thing.



Look, They do not mean the same thing. Sin is foreigen of God....i.e. God cannot destroy it. So you might think he is not omnipotent. Omnipotent means you have complete control of everything. Sin is beyond the boundary of God's Creation...but God can redeem sin through acceptence of Jesus Christ. And if you argue that "Why then do we accept Jesus?"....a fully human had to be there to take the price of sin (Death)  to be fit for humanity.

Look, they do mean the same thing.

This isn't about religion, it's about a basic understanding of language.

Omnipotent directly translates to all powerful. They mean literally the exact same thing. 

It's like me telling you that blue and azul are two entirely different concepts because one is in another language. 

Wont be the best of answers since im taking on two of you.

Okay, so find me where in another language all powerful means omnipotent. 


Latin.

The latin phrase "omnes potentes" means all powerful. 

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Posted about 4 years ago

"AlphaT" wrote:

What could he have done? He commanded us not to eat from the tree did he not?

If he had made us infallible, then we would be robots.  


He could have not created a tree like that at all if he didn't want the information it contained to be learned by Man.

Is God himself a robot then, since he is infallible? 

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

― Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe


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Posted about 4 years ago

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

Latin.

The latin phrase "omnes potentes" means all powerful. 


i think ull real ise the bible is written in eng, lish not latin............../......

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Posted about 4 years ago

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:


I think you have a definition mix up. Omnipotent and All Powerful are two different things.

But those two are synonyms. 

Omnipotent; almighty or infinite in power

All powerful;########### supreme power, omnipotent

They are literally words that mean the same thing.



Look, They do not mean the same thing. Sin is foreigen of God....i.e. God cannot destroy it. So you might think he is not omnipotent. Omnipotent means you have complete control of everything. Sin is beyond the boundary of God's Creation...but God can redeem sin through acceptence of Jesus Christ. And if you argue that "Why then do we accept Jesus?"....a fully human had to be there to take the price of sin (Death)  to be fit for humanity.

Look, they do mean the same thing.

This isn't about religion, it's about a basic understanding of language.

Omnipotent directly translates to all powerful. They mean literally the exact same thing. 

It's like me telling you that blue and azul are two entirely different concepts because one is in another language. 

Wont be the best of answers since im taking on two of you.

Okay, so find me where in another language all powerful means omnipotent. 

Latin.

The latin phrase "omnes potentes" means all powerful. 


Source?


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Posted about 4 years ago

"AlphaT" wrote:

Source?


You can find it on the first line of the Omnipotence wiki page

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

― Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe


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Posted about 4 years ago

"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

What could he have done? He commanded us not to eat from the tree did he not?

If he had made us infallible, then we would be robots.  

He could have not created a tree like that at all if he didn't want the information it contained to be learned by Man.

Is God himself a robot then, since he is infallible? 


So if a parent says "Johnny, do not eat those cookies right now" Does it mean they chould not have made/bought the cookies in the first place?

No, I meant that he didnt want us to be infallible, knowing that he is the creator, excluding the need for faith, being 100% obedient TO GOD, thus being a robot...God has no one higher than himself so he is excluded.


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Posted about 4 years ago

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:


I think you have a definition mix up. Omnipotent and All Powerful are two different things.

But those two are synonyms. 

Omnipotent; almighty or infinite in power

All powerful;########### supreme power, omnipotent

They are literally words that mean the same thing.



Look, They do not mean the same thing. Sin is foreigen of God....i.e. God cannot destroy it. So you might think he is not omnipotent. Omnipotent means you have complete control of everything. Sin is beyond the boundary of God's Creation...but God can redeem sin through acceptence of Jesus Christ. And if you argue that "Why then do we accept Jesus?"....a fully human had to be there to take the price of sin (Death)  to be fit for humanity.

Look, they do mean the same thing.

This isn't about religion, it's about a basic understanding of language.

Omnipotent directly translates to all powerful. They mean literally the exact same thing. 

It's like me telling you that blue and azul are two entirely different concepts because one is in another language. 

Wont be the best of answers since im taking on two of you.

Okay, so find me where in another language all powerful means omnipotent. 

Latin.

The latin phrase "omnes potentes" means all powerful. 

Source?


4 different translators I found on google when I searched "latin translator" 

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Posted about 4 years ago

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Teh_Skittlez" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:

"Kerpele" wrote:

"AlphaT" wrote:


I think you have a definition mix up. Omnipotent and All Powerful are two different things.

But those two are synonyms. 

Omnipotent; almighty or infinite in power

All powerful;########### supreme power, omnipotent

They are literally words that mean the same thing.



Look, They do not mean the same thing. Sin is foreigen of God....i.e. God cannot destroy it. So you might think he is not omnipotent. Omnipotent means you have complete control of everything. Sin is beyond the boundary of God's Creation...but God can redeem sin through acceptence of Jesus Christ. And if you argue that "Why then do we accept Jesus?"....a fully human had to be there to take the price of sin (Death)  to be fit for humanity.

Look, they do mean the same thing.

This isn't about religion, it's about a basic understanding of language.

Omnipotent directly translates to all powerful. They mean literally the exact same thing. 

It's like me telling you that blue and azul are two entirely different concepts because one is in another language. 

Wont be the best of answers since im taking on two of you.

Okay, so find me where in another language all powerful means omnipotent. 

Latin.

The latin phrase "omnes potentes" means all powerful. 

Source?

4 different translators I found on google when I searched "latin translator" 


I found no translators or wiki page. Sorry. 


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