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hollybl2468
hollybl2468 posted in Debating:
"Masterzero4" wrote: "hollybl2468" wrote: "Masterzero4" wrote: I believe that it should be tested on animals, before tested out on humans. There are some things that we would not want to test on humans...I can see them having lab rats, but lab humans? There are some things that just don't sound right when put together in a sentence.  It's also a matter of what the public sees fit. The public might see testing out possibly dangerous chemicals and such on humans as inhumane, but if we did it on lets's say a mouse, then it's perfectly okay. I can see why some of you might be upset by scientists testing out dangerous things on animals, but let's think. Would we rather have animals like rats being tested on, or humans?   I'm guessing you believe a mouse doesn't feel pain or is not intelligent, so I'm going to use a chimp as an example. We test on chimps and send them into space in capsules, despite knowing that chimps are extremely similar to us (in fact, we usually test on them because they're so similar to us). If the public sees fit, does that mean that animal's life has no worth and it's okay to exploit them? We also used to test on people in the U.S., throughout American history but particularly through the 20th century. These tests were highly secretive but the government funded them. They didn't have any justification that these people were not intelligent or didn't feel pain, etc. They knew it was wrong and they did it anyway. The government funds animal tests. Yes, but again, what would you rather be tested? Sure you bring up the secret testing of actual humans. However, we have stopped doing that due to public outrage. The question I'm asking is would you rather us to go back to testing humans? Or testing animals? I believe that it's better to test on animals than actual humans.    From one of my previous posts: "You will also discover documents provided by scientists of the time, which actually incorporated schematics of the African-Americans, supposedly showing their physical skull structure and brain complexity to be inferior to that of the Caucasian people.  Once that argument failed them, then they resorted to the moral superiority argument." Remember that old saying? Don't believe everything you read. How do we know that the skull structure/brain complexity argument with animals is any different? If a chimp can feel the same pain and emotion as a human, how can we compare their life to a human life and justify exploiting them, just as we justified exploitation of the African-Americans? 
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Masterzero4
Masterzero4 posted in Debating:
"hollybl2468" wrote: "Masterzero4" wrote: I believe that it should be tested on animals, before tested out on humans. There are some things that we would not want to test on humans...I can see them having lab rats, but lab humans? There are some things that just don't sound right when put together in a sentence.  It's also a matter of what the public sees fit. The public might see testing out possibly dangerous chemicals and such on humans as inhumane, but if we did it on lets's say a mouse, then it's perfectly okay. I can see why some of you might be upset by scientists testing out dangerous things on animals, but let's think. Would we rather have animals like rats being tested on, or humans?   I'm guessing you believe a mouse doesn't feel pain or is not intelligent, so I'm going to use a chimp as an example. We test on chimps and send them into space in capsules, despite knowing that chimps are extremely similar to us (in fact, we usually test on them because they're so similar to us). If the public sees fit, does that mean that animal's life has no worth and it's okay to exploit them? We also used to test on people in the U.S., throughout American history but particularly through the 20th century. These tests were highly secretive but the government funded them. They didn't have any justification that these people were not intelligent or didn't feel pain, etc. They knew it was wrong and they did it anyway. The government funds animal tests. Yes, but again, what would you rather be tested? Sure you bring up the secret testing of actual humans. However, we have stopped doing that due to public outrage. The question I'm asking is would you rather us to go back to testing humans? Or testing animals? I believe that it's better to test on animals than actual humans. 
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hollybl2468
hollybl2468 posted in Debating:
"Masterzero4" wrote:I believe that it should be tested on animals, before tested out on humans. There are some things that we would not want to test on humans...I can see them having lab rats, but lab humans? There are some things that just don't sound right when put together in a sentence. It's also a matter of what the public sees fit. The public might see testing out possibly dangerous chemicals and such on humans as inhumane, but if we did it on lets's say a mouse, then it's perfectly okay. I can see why some of you might be upset by scientists testing out dangerous things on animals, but let's think. Would we rather have animals like rats being tested on, or humans?   I'm guessing you believe a mouse doesn't feel pain or is not intelligent, so I'm going to use a chimp as an example. We test on chimps and send them into space in capsules, despite knowing that chimps are extremely similar to us (in fact, we usually test on them because they're so similar to us). If the public sees fit, does that mean that animal's life has no worth and it's okay to exploit them? We also used to test on people in the U.S., throughout American history but particularly through the 20th century. These tests were highly secretive but the government funded them. They didn't have any justification that these people were not intelligent or didn't feel pain, etc. They knew it was wrong and they did it anyway. The government funds animal tests.
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